How do we determine our aligned marks?

**jm1234567890** · 16 Oct 2004, 3:18 PM

Originally Posted by teacosy

i bombed out on an assessment earlier this year and my rank went down heaps. is it true that if you get the 3rd highest mark from ur school you won't get that mark because the person ranked 3rd gets that?

no,

the person who is ranked 3rd doesn't get the 3rd highest mark...

there is a formula to calculate what the person who came third will get, it depends on how the
class goes as a whole.

however, as a very rough guide, yes the person who cam third will get approxmately what the 3rd highest Exam mark as their moderated assessment mark.

if you get the 3rd highest mark for your HSC exam, you keep that mark as your exam mark and no one can take it away from you.

**katy5063** · 21 Oct 2004, 2:51 PM

is the "aligned HSC mark" scaled or raw??? for example, i wish to put in my assessment marks to predict my UAI . my report has 43/50 for ext 1 maths which is SCALED by the school. should i enter this or try to estimate what RAW mark i will b getting? thanx

**jm1234567890** · 21 Oct 2004, 3:45 PM

it depends on what shool you go to, use the standards packages as a guide

www.boredofstudies.org/mirror

**sandra_taouk** · 21 Oct 2004, 11:08 PM

ur UIA mark is half ur total assessment mark from school plus half ur HSC exam mark...

dat SAM thingy is soo fukn gay n i hate it.. it depreseses meee so badly

**binesy13** · 25 Oct 2004, 11:41 AM

im getting all confused in this, if you go to just an ordinary school academically, you score marks that are around your UAI target in assesments and you HSC exams, what are the things that make your UAI go up or down? if your ranked worse than you should be can u still get a good UAI????

**peeasoup** · 30 Oct 2004, 9:20 AM

So your HSC mark always gets scaled down. Like, if all my assesment averages are 60's, and i get 80's and 90's in my hsc, then im fucked. I dont like the sounds of it.
Watever happened to hsc marks getting scaled up. Like, my sisters 2 unit mark was scaled up to about 70 from a fail, in her hsc. And she had done pretty crap all year.

**kymoie** · 2 Nov 2004, 8:15 AM

Does anyone else notice that SAM is going to be VERY busy on the 20th of December?

**jm1234567890** · 2 Nov 2004, 9:02 AM

Originally Posted by kymoie

Does anyone else notice that SAM is going to be VERY busy on the 20th of December?

you can always have a look at JUAIseek instead of SAM, so not as much bandwidth is consumed

**kymoie** · 2 Nov 2004, 9:42 AM

Wasn't someone saying SAM was better than JUAIseek?

**jm1234567890** · 2 Nov 2004, 9:50 AM

well, the difference is generally negligible

yeah, but use SAM if possible

**davidmenz** · 8 Nov 2004, 7:06 PM

ok i heard that on the 12th of dec we get out assesment mark is this true and if we do is it reliable to type into SAM to get an approx UAI???
thanks

**jm1234567890** · 8 Nov 2004, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by davidmenz

ok i heard that on the 12th of dec we get out assesment mark is this true and if we do is it reliable to type into SAM to get an approx UAI???
thanks

no, but it is as reliable as you can expect....

+/- 0.5 UAI for most marks

prolly +/- 0.1 for UAI above 90

**yeders** · 28 Nov 2004, 1:32 AM

i think its tons hard to work out all the stuff, i think im just gona wait till the 17th, and then wheneva we get our uai and then see... shall b interresting, cuz i really have no idea

Pixydust* · 7 Dec 2004, 4:16 PM

[QUOTE=warlivoecks]ITS IMPOSSIBLE IT ALLIGN UR MARK!!!!

my friend who got 99 last yr got an english adv assessment mark of 62, and a hsc exam mark of 97..that brought her "alligned mark" or actual mark to 93. Hence if u did shit all year, THERE IS STILL HOPE!!

I'm sorry, but do you mean she had an overall assessment mark of 62 (over the whole year) or just one assessment that got a mark of 62? It's just that i'm aiming for a UAI of roughly 99.8 and my English results sorta arn't adding up, like, they are averaging around 80...

**a8o** · 26 Dec 2004, 6:58 PM

Originally Posted by yeders

i think its tons hard to work out all the stuff, i think im just gona wait till the 17th, and then wheneva we get our uai and then see... shall b interresting, cuz i really have no idea

Garbage in, garbage out I guess.

**Fady** · 26 Jul 2005, 8:58 PM

i was jst enquiring to anyone who reallly understands the system. If my rank was last in particular subjects, but all students were ver close, and we all have reletivly good marks, what happens to the last place student???? Also if i was to be achieving 30% in for eg maths, and i get in the 80's in the HSC, what would happen to my marks?????

**jm1234567890** · 26 Jul 2005, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Fady

i was jst enquiring to anyone who reallly understands the system. If my rank was last in particular subjects, but all students were ver close, and we all have reletivly good marks, what happens to the last place student???? Also if i was to be achieving 30% in for eg maths, and i get in the 80's in the HSC, what would happen to my marks?????

The last placed student will get the lowest HSC Exam mark as their School assessment mark.

I don't understand your 2nd question...
your getting 30% in you school exams? And then you want to know what happens if you get 80% in the HSC exam?
Well all I can say if who know what will happen.... But you will have to work mighty hard to improve your marks. I guess you'll have a better idea after your trials.

**A l** · 26 Jul 2005, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Fady

i was jst enquiring to anyone who reallly understands the system. If my rank was last in particular subjects, but all students were ver close, and we all have reletivly good marks, what happens to the last place student???? Also if i was to be achieving 30% in for eg maths, and i get in the 80's in the HSC, what would happen to my marks?????

Assessment tasks DO matter. However, the moderating process relies on ranks in both the external and internal assessments to alter marks. Your rank in the external exam within the school may be different to your rank in the school assessment tasks. If that is the case, then things start to get complicated.
Remember that chances are, that the moderating process would alter the original marks that the school submits.

Originally Posted by peeasoup

So your HSC mark always gets scaled down. Like, if all my assesment averages are 60's, and i get 80's and 90's in my hsc, then im fucked. I dont like the sounds of it.
Watever happened to hsc marks getting scaled up. Like, my sisters 2 unit mark was scaled up to about 70 from a fail, in her hsc. And she had done pretty crap all year.

ALIGNED MARKS ARE NOT USED FOR THE SCALING PROCESS!!!! I cannot emphasise this enough. In scaling the RAW MARKS are used. In most cases, these are lower than the ALIGNED marks. Since these marks are lower than the aligned marks, then the "scaling up" or the "scaling down" can apply.
The Board does not release these marks to the public, probably in fear that people would jump to ridiculous conclusions about the scaling of marks and pick subjects because they are scaled up.
Either way, when it comes to scaling, RANKS matter, NOT MARKS.

**archangel leila** · 10 Aug 2005, 3:46 PM

Originally Posted by davidmenz

ok i heard that on the 12th of dec we get out assesment mark is this true and if we do is it reliable to type into SAM to get an approx UAI???
thanks

I DO know that your internal ranks and internal assessment marks that the school submits to board of studies can be viewed at studentsonline.nsw.edu.au from 4pm November 11 til sometime in january...

**kylz_kute** · 11 Sep 2005, 5:23 PM

im a little lost guys im only new to the site and find it useful so far but i can work out my allied marks but know that im in bands 4/5 and 5/6 for my corses if i use an average for these bands based on my marks so far could it still give me rough idea about my UAI???
hope so im aiming for 70 or more lol being realistic

pLuvia · 11 Sep 2005, 9:01 PM

err use this thing

http://www.boredofstudies.org/moderate.php

**jm1234567890** · 11 Sep 2005, 9:04 PM

Originally Posted by kadlil

err use this thing

http://www.boredofstudies.org/moderate.php

No...

kylz_kute: Yes, if you think those are the band you will achieve anymark within them are plausable.

**lala2** · 23 Sep 2005, 2:33 PM

I dunno if this is a reliable way of doing things but what I did:

- Examine the last few years' results from your school, and how many 90+ mentions there were in each subject, e.g. last year was a really, really, really, bad year for us but 76 got 90+ in English Advanced, and 96-ish got 90+ in 2U Maths. Fortuantely for me, our yaer is a good year and I'm ranked 55th and equal 10th in Eng Adv and 2U Maths respectively, so I inputted in 90 for both (to be on the safe side)
- If no exact numbers are given, but the percentage of students who got a certain band and over is given, calculate that you're in the top xx% and work it out from there, e.g. last year, 70-something% of people got 80+ in Biology, and I'm in the top 30-ish%, so I should get at least 80 if not more for Bio.
- And if nothing else, then Ii guess use the rest of the advice in this thread

**a8o** · 25 Sep 2005, 3:58 PM

Originally Posted by lala2

I dunno if this is a reliable way of doing things but what I did:

- Examine the last few years' results from your school, and how many 90+ mentions there were in each subject, e.g. last year was a really, really, really, bad year for us but 76 got 90+ in English Advanced, and 96-ish got 90+ in 2U Maths. Fortuantely for me, our yaer is a good year and I'm ranked 55th and equal 10th in Eng Adv and 2U Maths respectively, so I inputted in 90 for both (to be on the safe side)
- If no exact numbers are given, but the percentage of students who got a certain band and over is given, calculate that you're in the top xx% and work it out from there, e.g. last year, 70-something% of people got 80+ in Biology, and I'm in the top 30-ish%, so I should get at least 80 if not more for Bio.
- And if nothing else, then Ii guess use the rest of the advice in this thread

What school is this?