Sydney Uni Liberal Club's Official Publication: Libertas! (1 Viewer)

[withoutaface]

Ah, fair enough. I find the political ones I'll still argue/vote with my gut even if it is against party line.

 

[Phanatical]

You won't get far in the Party with that attitude.

 

[withoutaface]

Sacrificing my principles to get ahead in life isn't something I'm prepared to do. I'm a libertarian first, and a Liberal second.

Besides, most of my dissenting views fall within the "conscience voting" strip, so it won't be a huge problem.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

You won't get far in the Party with that attitude.

Perhaps but the only chance for more libertarian policy is to influence the liberal party.

 

[Phanatical]

I hate the idea that a person must be a member of a political party to have any influence. It reminds me of something Alex Mustafa (former President of the Labor Society (Labor Left) at USYD) once said, calling me a "scab" for not toeing the Labor Party line - and it's a sentiment I completely resent. There is a very good reason why I do not believe in political parties, and this is the main one. I refuse to compromise my ethics, and so should any politician with a conscience. The concept of party enforced policy is a slap in the face to democracy, and if the political parties want to promote democracy in this country, they should practice it within the party as well.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

You can join a party and influence it from the inside, forming 3rd parties can work ok too....,but eventually you'll probably have to try to merge with the libs/labor to actually have some power at the national level.

 

[Generator]

You can join a party and influence it from the inside, forming 3rd parties can work ok too....,but eventually you'll probably have to try to merge with the libs/labor to actually have some power at the national level.

If Phanatical joins the ALP and somehow manages to get the backing of the factions for a safe seat... An ALP tainted by Quah (one who freely admits that he wouldn't conform to a baseline policy platform) and a socially-conservative Liberal Party - what a choice that would be! Thankfully, it's unlikely that I will have to make such a choice .

 

[wheredanton]

There is a very good reason why I do not believe in political parties, and this is the main one. I refuse to compromise my ethics, and so should any politician with a conscience. The concept of party enforced policy is a slap in the face to democracy, and if the political parties want to promote democracy in this country, they should practice it within the party as well.

I think you are a walking chiche who for the sake of using the said chiches forgets to realise that they contradict.

 

[Phanatical]

I don't understand a word you just said.

 

[wheredanton]

I don't understand a word you just said.

Maybe commas will help.

I think you are a walking chiche who, for the sake of using the said chiches, forgets to realise that they contradict.

A refusal to reach a compromise evidences dogmatic slavery to a self conjured up subjective idea as well as an inability to synthesize other arguments. All this results in is someone who is unwilling to go back and unwilling to go forward. This is especially hypocritcal when you expect people to depart from their subjectibe viewpoints to listen to your arguments.

How fair do you think it to expect people to listen and give a fuck about what you say when you will not compromise nor depart from your high and mighty 'no compromise' ethics? It also evidences an arrogant self belief that he has nothing more to learn.

 

[Phanatical]

I have very strong viewpoints on certain issues, yes. Certain values form the cornerstone of my leadership style, but I do know how to keep an open mind on many issues. I listen to the advice of those who know more about a specific issue than myself, and then I make a strong decision based on the arguments from all sides of the argument. This is why I do not fit the normal political mould - I personally could not fit into a party system because I would be forced to publicly advocate points of view I completely disagree with. But this doesn't make me any less capable a decision maker. If anything, it gives me a better foundation for sensible leadership.

 

[wheredanton]

My god you have an inflated opinion of yourself.

 

[Phanatical]

Leadership qualities are essential to a good musician.

 

[withoutaface]

If Phanatical joins the ALP and somehow manages to get the backing of the factions for a safe seat... An ALP tainted by Quah (one who freely admits that he wouldn't conform to a baseline policy platform) and a socially-conservative Liberal Party - what a choice that would be! Thankfully, it's unlikely that I will have to make such a choice .

If Quah can influence the Labor party, I can turn the Libs crazy libertarian, so no need to worry about two conservative parties

 

[Phanatical]

Not even Mark Latham, the greatest politician in Australian history, could influence the Labor Party. And he was the fucking Leader.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Not even Mark Latham, the greatest politician in Australian history, could influence the Labor Party. And he was the fucking Leader.

He would have disagreed with you on every single policy.

 

[Phanatical]

I doubt that. I see a lot of similarity between Latham's values, and my own. Of course there are differences, but we aren't all clones of each other.

 

[wheredanton]

I doubt that. I see a lot of similarity between Latham's values, and my own. Of course there are differences, but we aren't all clones of each other.

*rolling on the floor laughing*

You only ID with him because you like his book. You think you are hard done by just like Latham (perhaps more evidence of your inflated opinion of yourself), you identify with his party hating view even though your electorial experience extends to university politics. Maybe you could write about your dire experiences at usyd. I bet you would want to have a big fat winge about everything that is wrong in the world. I wonder how many people would want to listen Andrew Quah's Latham like story?

You fail to recongise that Mark Latham was a product of the ALP. Born and educated to be an ALP person, never really holding a real job in his life.

He was also pro choice and would have supported USU.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200411/s1232166.htm

The Socialist Alliance applauds opposition leader Mark Latham’s statement that the choice about whether to terminate a pregnancy is up to the woman and her doctor. "We urge all state and federal Labor Party MPs to campaign vigorously against the Coalition politicians’ reactionary agenda, and to support the pro-choice movement’s calls for full Medicare coverage for terminations and the repeal of all laws that codify abortion access."

http://www.socialist-alliance.org/page.php?page=352

 

[Phanatical]

I support USU. Honestly, I do. I just don't support the political factions that plague USU, and I don't support poor students paying $600 on demand every year. But I do believe in the right to life for unborn children, and while I wouldn't immediately legislate to make abortion illegal, I do believe that society needs to take action to remind women that sex leads to babies, and babies are living humans too.

And, for the record, I followed Latham LONG before the book, and LONG before he became Leader.

 

[wheredanton]

I support USU. Honestly, I do. I just don't support the political factions that plague USU, and I don't support poor students paying $600 on demand every year.

Cut the chiche please. You really should try your hand at screen writing. You could write yourself a good cheesy and preechy movie if you wanted to.

But I do believe in the right to life for unborn children, and while

He didn't. He was an active Emily lister. Do a google search. He was very much in favour of pro choice policy. Maybe even do some policy research (remember you are a self proclaimed political leader who compared himself to Mark Latham) on factiva or something.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200411/s1232166.htm

The Socialist Alliance applauds opposition leader Mark Latham’s statement that the choice about whether to terminate a pregnancy is up to the woman and her doctor. "We urge all state and federal Labor Party MPs to campaign vigorously against the Coalition politicians’ reactionary agenda, and to support the pro-choice movement’s calls for full Medicare coverage for terminations and the repeal of all laws that codify abortion access."

http://www.socialist-alliance.org/page.php?page=352