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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by AusHam View Post
    If you enjoy programming and computers, just do a computer science degree. If your considering pursuing an engineering degree, try and do more
    practical activities like camping, girl guides or amateur radio. Being a decent engineer, in my opinion, requires a good degree of practical skills as well as the university qualification.
    Amateur radio I somewhat get but camping and girl guides? Really?

    I hate camping lol

    Having further considered this I understand what you're getting at but I don't believe misguided practical skills increase your ability to handle a specific discipline. Similarly to the concept of specificity in physical training, it's a matter of gaining skills that relate to the sport you play otherwise they will not be applicable.
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by AusHam View Post
    If you enjoy programming and computers, just do a computer science degree. If your considering pursuing an engineering degree, try and do more
    practical activities like camping, girl guides or amateur radio. Being a decent engineer, in my opinion, requires a good degree of practical skills as well as the university qualification.
    Not many people actually understand this. All the engineers I've met are very practical people, and if they werent going to uni they would have made great tradesmen.
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Danoraptor View Post
    Not many people actually understand this. All the engineers I've met are very practical people, and if they werent going to uni they would have made great tradesmen.
    I don't think someone looking for a purely theoretical discipline would choose engineering in the first place.. or I may be wrong. After all the point of engineering is the practical application of maths/physics. Engineering requires a dose of creativity.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

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    I'm guessing that makes for some 'fun' exams. You'd have to be a pretty quick thinker to solve design questions under exam conditions lol
    You just have to understand stuff really well.

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    does this mean I could keep 1 of Digital Circuit Design/Circuits and Signals/Embedded Systems Design/Analogue Electronics for each semester. Is there any advantage to taking maths 2 while taking these courses?

    The length of the degree doesn't bother me much. Half a year is not much of a difference.
    leave 2142 for whenever in my opinion. It's also excluded from comp2121 so you can choose between either one of them.

    2133, 2134 I recommend getting out of the way as soon as possible and try to excel in them. They provide the foundations for many courses and the knowledge from them is very important for most level 3 courses.

    I would also recommend doing math2069 earlier than later, since it really helps develop maths skills and only some of the content is applied to future courses (in fact it's built upon in it's own ways).

    2141 you can delay, but I don't recommend doing it for too long as some other courses will be dependent on the fundamentals (first few weeks) in that course.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by anomalousdecay View Post

    leave 2142 for whenever in my opinion. It's also excluded from comp2121 so you can choose between either one of them.

    2133, 2134 I recommend getting out of the way as soon as possible and try to excel in them. They provide the foundations for many courses and the knowledge from them is very important for most level 3 courses.

    I would also recommend doing math2069 earlier than later, since it really helps develop maths skills and only some of the content is applied to future courses (in fact it's built upon in it's own ways).

    2141 you can delay, but I don't recommend doing it for too long as some other courses will be dependent on the fundamentals (first few weeks) in that course.
    Thanks anomalousdecay, this is incredibly helpful and just the information I was looking for!

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop21 View Post
    Why does anyone want to do SE it's beyond me. CS is more flexible. Don't lock yourself into an extra year. You probably need to do more research into the field if you think a software engineering degree is > comp sci degree. It's never the better option, unless you are doing it by itself, and like less freedom in your degree (being told what to do). MOST people at UNSW who do seng always admit they want to transfer to comp sci.


    Or how about you just double degree it and come out with a comp sci degree AND electrical eng degree (people might suggest mechatronics eng, but if you're worried about employers not thinking you have the skills because of your degree, do an extra year and get both)?

    Check out the handbook which has all the information about degrees, e.g. comp sci / eng:

    http://www.handbook.unsw.edu.au/unde...2016/3772.html
    lmao SE and CS are completely different. Firstly SE's are recognised engineers by engineers Australia, and can move on to become Ieng's and Ceng's, where a Cs degree can't get you. I did 2 years of CS before finally moving to SE. CS is much more theory based, teaching 'how things work', where in SE your learning 'How to build/create those things, and the engineering plan to create such things'. If you want to get into high level dev positions you will need an SE degree. Even an EE degree won't get you far. CS is more theory based, SE is practical.
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by turntaker View Post
    EE seems to offer broader opportunities.



    Would someone with a degree in EE and programming knowledge still be able to work in software development or is a degree in SE or CS necessary?

    Yes, a person with an EE degree can certainly work in the software industry, provided they spend time and learn the skills necessary. A CS/SE degere would obviously be better as they equip you with more relevant skills (e.g Algorithms, Data Structures etc).
    Employees don't really care about your degree, provided you have the knowledge/skills for the position.
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    I really don't think this is true. When i was doing a first year programming subject at UTS (programming fundamentals) i made friends with a 4th year who was almost ready to graduate. In his words, he was doing the subject because it should be 'piss easy'. This guy couldn't write 10 lines of basic java code. He never did anything in class, and when it came to assessments he couldn't even attempt the assignment and barely passed the final exam. An EE is nowhere near an SE in terms of programming as an SE is nowhere an EE when it comes to circuit and electrical analysis. Sure, some EE's do end up working as software dev's but most do that because they can't find an EE job and usually work in lower level dev jobs, until they gain the relevant experience/qualifications. EE and SE are similar, but nowhere the same. Grab any course structure (uts for example) and see the difference yourself.

    If you want a balance between both look into COMPUTER SYSTEMS ENGINEERING.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by kanjk View Post
    lmao SE and CS are completely different. Firstly SE's are recognised engineers by engineers Australia, and can move on to become Ieng's and Ceng's, where a Cs degree can't get you. I did 2 years of CS before finally moving to SE. CS is much more theory based, teaching 'how things work', where in SE your learning 'How to build/create those things, and the engineering plan to create such things'. If you want to get into high level dev positions you will need an SE degree. Even an EE degree won't get you far. CS is more theory based, SE is practical.
    What on earth are you talking about? Don't just BS and say "it's much more theoretical", be specific and explain what you mean by that, i.e. what subjects make it more theoretical?

    We're talking about UNSW SE vs CS degrees here if you're confused (at least I was).
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    I agree with some parts of kanjk's first post but disagree with all of their second post.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop21 View Post
    What on earth are you talking about? Don't just BS and say "it's much more theoretical", be specific and explain what you mean by that, i.e. what subjects make it more theoretical?

    We're talking about UNSW SE vs CS degrees here if you're confused (at least I was).
    basically what Flop21 said because UNSW SE and CS is very similar. The difference is CS has more electives and SE has workshops and this might be where the more "practical" learning takes place. Since I plan on doing a combined degree I'd end up losing a lot of CS electives so there's not much difference apart from the compulsory work experience which you can do with CS as well (internships etc) and the workshops.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    and also mandatory thesis in reply to above

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop21 View Post
    What on earth are you talking about? Don't just BS and say "it's much more theoretical", be specific and explain what you mean by that, i.e. what subjects make it more theoretical?

    We're talking about UNSW SE vs CS degrees here if you're confused (at least I was).
    Sorry, i didn't clarify myself.

    I can't speak based of UNSW but i did attend UTS for SE and Usyd for comp sci.

    In CS, you don't actually learn about the process of creating an effective solution for your customer. You only learn the how. You don't learn how to work in a team, how to identify problems in design criteria and how to manage time. You learn to write code, and learn about computers and that's it.

    In SE, you do a variety of subjects which force you to work in a team and complete a set task. (Some at UTS include ICT analysis and ICT design which i am sure UNSW has similar subject) Ignoring all the learning stuff, as i stated above, there are only certain jobs an CS can do. Cs's generally can't work on critical systems, even some Se's only those who hold Ieng's or Ceng's (which is very important if you want to move up in $$).

    Basically, what i am trying to say is that SE is a far more practical degree. If you want to work on large complex systems with a team, become an SE, otherwise if you want to become your average coder, working on mid level systems, do a cs degree.

    Edit, I'll just let UNSW explain the differences

    https://www.engineering.unsw.edu.au/...mputer-science

    https://www.engineering.unsw.edu.au/...re-engineering
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by anomalousdecay View Post
    I agree with some parts of kanjk's first post but disagree with all of their second post.
    are you referring to

    I really don't think this is true. When i was doing a first year programming subject at UTS (programming fundamentals) i made friends with a 4th year who was almost ready to graduate. In his words, he was doing the subject because it should be 'piss easy'. This guy couldn't write 10 lines of basic java code. He never did anything in class, and when it came to assessments he couldn't even attempt the assignment and barely passed the final exam. An EE is nowhere near an SE in terms of programming as an SE is nowhere an EE when it comes to circuit and electrical analysis. Sure, some EE's do end up working as software dev's but most do that because they can't find an EE job and usually work in lower level dev jobs, until they gain the relevant experience/qualifications. EE and SE are similar, but nowhere the same. Grab any course structure (uts for example) and see the difference yourself.

    If you want a balance between both look into COMPUTER SYSTEMS ENGINEERING.
    If so, then i really don't understand why. EE's only do a tiny bit of programming compared to the SE major. I have met/worked with tons of EE's who can barely code, let alone have enough knowledge to be considered as an SE. The story above is true tho. In my mind, depending on what subjects you take, EE's and SE's may cross over, but the disciplines are fundamentally different.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by kanjk View Post
    Sorry, i didn't clarify myself.

    I can't speak based of UNSW but i did attend UTS for SE and Usyd for comp sci.

    In CS, you don't actually learn about the process of creating an effective solution for your customer. You only learn the how. You don't learn how to work in a team, how to identify problems in design criteria and how to manage time. You learn to write code, and learn about computers and that's it.

    In SE, you do a variety of subjects which force you to work in a team and complete a set task. (Some at UTS include ICT analysis and ICT design which i am sure UNSW has similar subject) Ignoring all the learning stuff, as i stated above, there are only certain jobs an CS can do. Cs's generally can't work on critical systems, even some Se's only those who hold Ieng's or Ceng's (which is very important if you want to move up in $$).

    Basically, what i am trying to say is that SE is a far more practical degree. If you want to work on large complex systems with a team, become an SE, otherwise if you want to become your average coder, working on mid level systems, do a cs degree.
    Okay but just keep in mind you're talking about UTS software engineering, and USYD computer science.

    Because at UNSW that simply doesn't make sense to me. The seng workshops suddenly make you more qualified to work on large complex systems? Nah. The degrees are too similar to have that much difference.
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    Lol SE = CE

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by kanjk View Post
    By you adding that edit, you're just confirming you think there's some massive difference between the two degrees AT UNSW. I posted your reply somewhere else to get some feedback from a bunch of experienced people (because 1. I don't know what you're on about, and 2. what your saying kind of impacts me since I'm doing comp sci not seng).

    https://www.reddit.com/r/computersci..._saying_about/

    While this might depend on the particular school to an extent, I don't agree at all. The authors premise seems to be that if a person takes a cs degree, they're incapable of learning how to work in a team or develop software effectively or manage time. While it might be true that seng focused majors have a bit of leg up in real world software development, most of these skills are learned while working on large projects in industry or life in general, and not in the academic setting. One thing my seng classes taught me is that there's usually not a black and white answer to things, and best practices vary across industry.
    Secondly, Cs majors are also usually required to take seng classes anyway (and vice versa) so the whole argument is somewhat moot.
    Thirdly, the author calls into question the coding ability of a cs major. I'd completely disagree with that as well. If anything, the cs major will be a stronger coder because they may have had more exposure to data structures, algorithms, and alternative programming paradigms. They might have to pick up some coding conventions and practices, but these are relatively easy to learn and vary from company to company anyway.
    To be clear, I think software engineering is a good degree. I just don't like when people claim one is superior to the other. If anything, it's a wash, and I've never seen a job that wouldn't happily hire either or all other things being equal (this is in Canada, where not just anyone can call themselves an engineer).
    I have a degree in CS & Math along with roughly 20 years of experience in the industry... and I don't even know what the fuck this guy is on about.
    The truth is your first few years out of school are going to be On The Job training so it doesn't matter. The CS major is going to be the stronger problem solver due to the education. So really that's what you have to ask yourself, do you want to learn how to code or learn how to solve problems.
    I can tell you which skill I think is easier to learn and sure as shit isn't the mechanical act of coding.
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