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Chance of a Band 6? (1 Viewer)

blue_chameleon

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Can somebody tell me the truth and why.......

So far ive heard that it IS NOT possible for a standard english student 2 achieve a Band 6 mark due to the course descriptors i.e. we dont cover the skills 2 b able to achieve it.

Also ive been hearing that there's a possibility that somebody in the state COULD get a Band 6.

Could somebody please explain?.....maybe Laz if possible. Thanx

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Ahuh they don't award a Band 6 for some reason, this is blatantly to stop the rorting of the system, because if your smart enough you can do Eng Adv, but the people who are smart but want it easy on themselves do easy subjects, that's how it use to work, but now they've changed the system, so the fact is, if a student can get a Band 6 in eng std, why didn't they do Eng Adv instead then?, that's the reason most will tell you.
 

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what are the likelyhood of a band 6 advanced english student get a band 6 in standard? almost 0 i say. I recon that it's much more difficult for any student, be it standard or Advanced to reach a band 6 in standard english
 

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Originally posted by puffkenny
what are the likelyhood of a band 6 advanced english student get a band 6 in standard? almost 0 i say. I recon that it's much more difficult for any student, be it standard or Advanced to reach a band 6 in standard english
I think this is what they do to prevent a band 6


- They know good students do a higher english
- Mark harsher, don't award full marks for essays
- Marking criteria for Band 6, is by far impossible for any student to even meet
- Writing the questions in a sense that it requires some unique aspect to be included in your response for you to recieve a Band 6
 

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Yeh I know, the system's really stupid because I think many standard students have the ability to get band 6 in advanced
 

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Don't worry about band 6 on english.

In 2001 if you score 87 in english standard (HSC mark), your scaled mark for calculation would be 95. If you scored 87 on english advanced, your scaled mark would be 81 or something. You can check this in UAC website.

There's a lot of explanation for this, but just know this: advanced and standard is scaled the same way. HSC mark is not important at all, scaled mark is what counts, so don't worry too much about band 6. Although it IS going to be hard for standard students to achieve band 6, it is not impossible.

You see, the past 5 years, no-one scored band 6 for english. However, the anomaly is here. I can feel him. He's going to break the cycle and achieve band 6. </matrix>
 

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I've been told that it is more difficult to reach a top band in standard english because the questions asked in advanced are more complex compared to the questions asked in standard. However, i think it is really stupid to see how 0% of students achieved band 6 and only about 2% achieved band 5 in the last few year's statistics.
 

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Originally posted by underthesun
Don't worry about band 6 on english.

In 2001 if you score 87 in english standard (HSC mark), your scaled mark for calculation would be 95. If you scored 87 on english advanced, your scaled mark would be 81 or something. You can check this in UAC website.

There's a lot of explanation for this, but just know this: advanced and standard is scaled the same way. HSC mark is not important at all, scaled mark is what counts, so don't worry too much about band 6. Although it IS going to be hard for standard students to achieve band 6, it is not impossible.

You see, the past 5 years, no-one scored band 6 for english. However, the anomaly is here. I can feel him. He's going to break the cycle and achieve band 6. </matrix>
hmmmmm........... i hope i break the band 5 barrier :(
 

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Most of what has been said is accurate... I'll just confirm that it is possible to reach band 6. :)
 

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Does anyone know someone who achieved above 90 UAI and did standard english?
 

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Originally posted by kow_dude
Does anyone know someone who achieved above 90 UAI and did standard english?
The top last year was 99.65.
 

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Originally posted by kow_dude
Does anyone know someone who achieved above 90 HSC mark and did standard english?
I think he was talking about HSC mark.. and they don't come in .xx do they?

A UAI of higher than 90 is still very achieve able for those of us who do standard english.. i think 3 people who did standard english got between 92-95 uai @ my school last year (+ my school is really dodgy.. i mean.. well.. you know what i mean.. don't mean to put it down. but it is.. oops.. hehe.. that means i'm dodgy too!)

I have sent an e-mail to BOS regarding to this a while ago and this is their reply:

Dear Student,

I refer to your email inquiry "Is Standard English disadvantageous to HSC
candidates?" Many of the issues you raise relate to the scaling of marks
carried out by the Universities Admissions Centre (UAC) to calculate the
Universities Admissions Index. It would be advisable to look on the UAC
website (www.uac.edu.au) for detailed information about how the
calculations are made.

For specific information on the scaling of English (Standard) I recommend
Professor Cooney's site "HSC and Beyond"
(www.hscandbeyond.mq.edu.au/careers/cooney.htm) which reports on the 2001
HSC but is also relevant to the 2002 examinations. Professor Cooney wrote
that:



English was scaled as a single group but Standard and Advanced
were separated for purposes of reporting. Neither Advanced or
Standard students were advantaged or disadvantaged as a result of
scaling.



The reason that no student was awarded First Place in subject for English
(Standard) is that no student was placed in Band 6 for that subject.
Professor Cooney commented that:




The lack of Standard students in Performance Band 6 and the small
proportion of Standard students in Performance Band 5 were
entirely consistent with the performance of Standard students on
the common paper. Few Standard students received high marks on the
common paper and, as markers were unaware of which scripts were
from Standard students and which were from Advanced students,
there was no bias in the marking of this paper that favoured
Advanced students.

The English (Advanced) course was designed to provide students with
the opportunity to undertake the challenge of higher-order thinking in
English .

The English (Standard) and the English (Advanced) courses are made up
of a common Area of Study constituting 40% of each course with 60% made
up of modules unique to each course.

The outcomes of the English (Advanced) course incorporate and extend
beyond the English (Standard) course outcomes. It is especially through
the unique section of the English (Advanced) course that students have
the opportunity to demonstrate knowledge, skills and understanding
beyond the outcomes established for the English (Standard) course.

The English (Standard) course emphasises reflection on texts and
demonstration of the effectiveness of texts for different audiences and
purposes. The emphasis of the English (Advanced) course is on the
analysis and evaluation of texts and the ways they are valued in their
contexts.

Students who undertake the English (Standard) course will have the
opportunity to perform at the levels described in the higher bands, but
they will be less likely to achieve in those bands than those students
undertaking the English (Advanced) course.

The rewards for students undertaking the English (Advanced) course,
however, will not be automatic. Success will depend on hard work and
performance that demonstrates achievement of the standard at the
highest levels.



Regards,

Fran Trefry

Board of Studies Liaison Officer
Metropolitan East Region
for Andrew Goodyer
A/Manager Policy and Development



I hope that clear things up a bit for you guys :) Good luck with the HSC! Let's kick advanced's bum(<--- hmm... i don't really mean that, but you know what i mean :) i mean, they are still good people in advanced :)...)
 

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thanks mitochondria for that... but i still think standard english is still being disadvantaged considering that only a tiny proportion of candidates achieved band 5 or 6
 

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