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Im not sure if this topic has already been started, but something in the news today sparked my interest on this issue again.

America is still trying to pawn off inmate to other countries, and the exat line keeps coming back: If theyre alright for release, the why dont you take them?

Honestly, how can Obama believe that any country with brains is going to accept people the US military believed to be terrorists. If bloody Krudd accepts any of them I'm going to scream. Whether or not they've been judged guilty or not guilty by Obama's review panels, they're still suspected terrorists.

What is your take on this issue?
 

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It's true, i don't think any country would lightly accept these ex-prisoners, unless the US government offered some of the less developed countries economic incentives.

This was what made Obama's claim so surprising, that he could close guantanimo within a year, because these inmates aren't going to just vapourise or something...
 

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229 inmates looking for a home
Janine Zacharia and Justin Blun Washington
July 19, 2009
THE US may not be able to move all eligible detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to other countries before President Barack Obama's January deadline for closing the prison, an Obama Administration official has admitted.

The effort to resettle prisoners has been hampered by legislation that bars their release in the US until September 30.

American diplomats, who are trying to persuade other countries to take detainees before the deadline, are being asked why they should accept them when the US won't.

On his second full day in office, Mr Obama signed an order to close the Guantanamo detention facility within one year.

A multi-agency taskforce led by the Justice Department has reviewed more than half of the 229 detainees to determine which ones should be transferred, tried or held indefinitely. At least 54 of those reviewed have been cleared as suitable for a transfer.

The State Department is making progress in persuading other countries to accept detainees, although much work remains. Eleven detainees have been sent to other countries since Mr Obama took office in January.

The US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, said in Washington that the Administration was engaged in a "rigorous process" to evaluate detainees and close Guantanamo.

"The President … and our entire Administration are 100 per cent committed to the closure of Guantanamo and to proceeding with the transfer of those who can be transferred, the trial of those who can be tried, and the continuing detention of those who pose a grave threat," Mrs Clinton said.

The Obama Administration hasn't specified what will happen to detainees who are found to be eligible for resettlement in other countries and aren't transferred by the deadline.

The detention facility opened in 2002 under the Republican president George W. Bush. Mr Obama, a Democrat, said in May that Guantanamo "set back the moral authority that is America's strongest currency in the world".

War-crimes hearings took place at Guantanamo last week for eight detainees, including self-described September 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Family members of victims of the attacks called on Mr Obama to keep the detention centre open.

Negotiations this year already have resulted in detainees being transferred to Saudi Arabia, Chad, Iraq, Bermuda, the UK and France, Ben LaBolt, a White House spokesman said.

The task force is still conducting reviews "and more progress in bringing swift and certain justice to those detainees is expected in the weeks to come," Mr LaBolt said.
229 inmates looking for a home

I imagine they'd only be trying to transfer detainess to the countries they are nationals of?
 

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As for the question, technically we've already taken one in the form of David Hicks.

For the larger question the US is in a bit of a bind, on the one hand insufficient evidence to convict them of anything or morally justify holding them, on the other though if released they may (re)connect with al-qaeda and/or reveal torture/etc. Additionally as the OP highlights not many places will be keen on taking suspected terrorists.

Three options:
  • Release into the US and monitor, this seems politically untennable and a high-risk of reconnection/adverse publicity
  • Return to country of origin, makes reconnection extremely likely and they can go public
  • Pawn them off to anywhere which will take them, they could conceivably slip the net and reconnect

IMO the best option is to return to country of origin and leave it in their hands.
 
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As for the question, technically we've already taken one in the form of David Hicks.

For the larger question the US is in a bit of a bind, on the one hand insufficient evidence to convict them of anything or morally justify holding them, on the other though if released they may (re)connect with al-qaeda and/or reveal torture/etc. Additionally as the OP highlights not many places will be keen on taking suspected terrorists.


Three options:
  • Release into the US and monitor, this seems politically untennable and a high-risk of reconnection/adverse publicity
  • Return to country of origin, makes reconnection extremely likely and they can go public
  • Pawn them off to anywhere which will take them, they could conceivably slip the net and reconnect
IMO the best option is to return to country of origin and leave it in their hands.
that probably is the best option, but a lot of these inmates were betrayed by officials in their country and taken illegally - could there be some sort of humanitarian argument that they could use to prevent them from returning?
 

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For the larger question the US is in a bit of a bind, on the one hand insufficient evidence to convict them of anything or morally justify holding them, on the other though if released they may (re)connect with al-qaeda and/or reveal torture/etc.
It's not a bind at all, if there isn't sufficient evidence to convict them, it's a huge injustice to keep them in custody.

Hysteria about terrorism is not fair cause to abandon the presumption of innocence.

If they're revealing torture, good on them. The US abuse of human rights in recent years is appalling, to expose this shameful behavour is heroic.
 

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danal353 you are correct that there could be some grounds to claim political asylum based on persecution in their homeland - but I don't think the inmates will get the opportunity to do that (or that they'd want to stay in the US).

Depending on the country of origin there is a high chance they will be imprisoned for life on arrival anyway.... which from the US perspective is a good thing...
 

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If they haven't been convicted so far, and aren't going to be convicted, not only should they be immediately released, they should be given financial compensation for their wrongful imprisonment.
 

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It's not a bind at all, if there isn't sufficient evidence to convict them, it's a huge injustice to keep them in custody.

Hysteria about terrorism is not fair cause to abandon the presumption of innocence.

If they're revealing torture, good on them. The US abuse of human rights in recent years is appalling, to expose this shameful behavour is heroic.
I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate here because I agree with you that insufficient evidence is (in the eyes of the law) innocence and punishment/imprisonment of innocents is abhorrent.

The article seemed to say that the DOJ was reviewing the 229 and that some would continue to be held without trial albeit in a different location.
 

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ah yes... i don't suppose america is very concerned with their wellbeing
 

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If they haven't been convicted so far, and aren't going to be convicted, not only should they be immediately released, they should be given financial compensation for their wrongful imprisonment.
^this. If they were nothing more than political prisoners, that US should over financial compensation.
 

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