frinkanator said:
Seremify007, you speak like you hold yourself in such high authority... This is what I mean by these 'cadetships' going to your heads.
You mean because we do real work as opposed to just hearing about real work?
frinkanator said:
Just because you have a nice academic record, and are able to tag along at these nice shiny corporations, it is alright to talk down on people like myself.
People like yourself? I try my best to not talk down on people- and whilst I admit my post to you might have come off as a bit harsh, it was you who brought it on yourself purely by dissing other peoples' career choices, where they work, and what (you perceive) they actually do.
frinkanator said:
If I go by your sig correctly you were still a scrawny year 12 stressing about exams just last year? Heck last year, I chose to learn from real investors/traders who have gone beyond the corporate world and are doing so much better managing their own financial livelihoods.
Some of us appreciate getting into a respectable university. Whether I was stressing or not is another matter (go ask anyone who knew me last year and compare that to the rest of my school)- but I think that has to be one of the most pointless arguments you've raised thus far. If you were going to work off the fact that I only graduated from high school last year, you could have at least said I've only done 1 semester of uni and worked less than a year and thus haven't really gotten in deep in the corporate world. But hey, like you said, you're different to the "average punk 1st year".
frinkanator said:
Personally to me, you seem like the typical spoilt brat mummies boys, who wet themselves when they get into the real world. Like I've said, it's not just book smarts, but street smarts are also attractive to employers. I like to call myself a user of both.
Now you're getting personal.
It's good to hear that people realise the importance of both book and street smarts.
The question which really must be asked is what have you got to prove for having either (let alone both) of these "smarts"?
frinkanator said:
My main point is that, it really is pointless to judge me without even knowing...you really have no idea of the various ways to get industry exposure/knowledge beyond the Big 4/ Big IB world you only know about.
Like I said before, we don't judge you based on knowing you, but I'm sure I speak on alot of people here when I say that from what we've seen in your posts on BoS, serious or not, you come across as being disrespectful towards others. It's absolutely nothing to do with your skills-
frinkanator said:
I'm not trying to sound like I have a grudge against the corporate world... I do wish to get to the corporate level in the future. Perhaps even a cadetship god forbid. But I will not seem like I'm better than everyone or talk down to others who have taken other unique paths.
Bit late- you already have.
frinkanator said:
If you actually look beyond your fat cranium, I was including the accounting vs. IB banter to talk you stale people up. Because all the threads I've read on here are as pink as an ass kissers bottom. I'm sorry if I rained in on your tea party forum. But you have to learn how to deal with people like me. I believe my style is a leg up on the usual bulldust you hear from ponces with impeccable uni marks.
I don't know about the other people here but my uni marks aren't that hot.
frinkanator said:
Don't accuse me of having no morals, manners or integrity
frinkanator said:
... being raised in a business environment, and liasing with customers in the IT industry has taught me a lot about mutual relationships in business.
Openly admitting your support for and consideration of insider trading is a question of integrity or a question of stupidity- perhaps even both.
And lack of manners... I don't think I need to elaborate on this one.
frinkanator said:
It really is only an agression I have towards stiff lips like you.
frinkanator said:
But when it comes to being professional, I like to think I have some idea. I love it that you judge my personal traits, and potential failure with recruiters on a few posts I've made at a forum packed with teenyboppers...
Stiff lips because I don't badmouth other firms and companies?
Maybe you do know alot about being professional from your experience with the IT industry- but it definitely doesn't show here. Maybe because you think everybody else here is a 'teenybopper'- but amongst all the other great business beliefs and morals you have ascertained over the years from TV, media, friends, movies, etc... I'm sure you've heard this one:
First impressions last.
frinkanator said:
I've only joined in the last couple days, yet you seem to post like Ian Macfarlane and Peter Costello combs these forums every day.
Do you really think I hate CPA/CA's with a passion? My dad and I deal with them occasionally. And they certainly don't hate me. It's a business relationship. I don't kiss their ass.
Considering you are their client, why would you need to 'kiss their ass'?
frinkanator said:
I said, I don't really see the point in advertising myself
frinkanator said:
, but if you must perhaps try and compare 'my penis with your fat large corporatised one with massive authority' then: The ex IB'ers I associate with; some are heads of trading floors at broking houses, but the particular one I was talking about was a 28yo ex Mac bank dude, who has his own successful investment company, managing quite large portfolios - of which me and my father currently have some investments in . These guys aren't the juniors or recruitment agents you like to rub shoulders with. They have been there working hard and have used their experience there as a launching board into a sucessful independent financial career.
Simple question: Name?
frinkanator said:
I go to a uni in Melbourne, majoring in Finance and like I've said a million times, I don't think I'm gods gift. It is very much the opposite, as you speak like you own me just coz I'm different to your average punk 1st year. I really don't think you guys are so special or see why you think this forum is so special, but the way you talk to each other is hilarious. Spot a little game of croquet at the country club, old chap?
It's funny how you perceive me the same way we perceive you.
frinkanator said:
I've actually taken the effort to shy away from a lot of the corporate BSer's who think they're top because they are up there with the 'big boys' - but instead aligned myself with those members of the community who have successfully built up themselves up. Not ride on the coattails of corporate utopia.
Cheers.
You mean instead of actually working for/with the 'big boys', you just hang out with them and brag to people that you're connected?
Maybe that's not what you intended it- but that's how it was perceived.
turtleface said:
All this talk about business, enterpreneurship, aligning yourself with the right people, sucking up, investing, creating wealth is nauseating to me. It reminds me too much of the arse sucker contestants on the apprentice.
Agreed.
turtleface said:
I don't know why accounting is so shit to some people. I've come to realise it doesn't really matter what other people think. If they think accountants are too shit for IB, who cares? if they think lawyers get paid more than accountants, who cares? if they think the the big 4 are backwater institutes for investment banking, management consulting and law firm rejects (who are in turn medicine rejects), who cares?
Good point. But as this thread is meant to be a comparison between the two, I think it's fair game to rebutt some of these points when they are nothing more than stereotypes.
EDIT: This was more in relation to the big4 = IB rejects. I'm not sure about you but some people (myself included) take this as a bit of a personal knock/dismissal of what we do.
turtleface said:
I think its like this. 1st year accounting/VCE is like learning what 1 + 1 is.
When you are working in accounting, you don't actually do 1 + 1 but in order to understand how to do anything else you have to know what 1 + 1 equals.
I'm under the impression that 1st year accounting is more book keeping (debits/credits) and understanding the fundamentals, whereas 2nd/3rd year is more specialised and learning how to do professional services as opposed to just the "accounts".
But like turtleface said, you need to know your basics as when you work, it's expected to be second nature. A lot of the time you'll see not only other people at your level, but all the way up, whereby people have to pause and think back to Debits and Credits to understand how something works.
Nice anlaogy to chem btw. I don't know anything about chem (never studied it) but it sounds pretty similar to the analogy of school/uni where you learn communication protocols from the 80s/90s, but out in the real world, noone really uses them anymore. (NB. I didn't study computing/programming/software development in uni so this analogy probably isn't very accurate either).