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For maths, they say, its stupid coz u just apply formula, and for english, people say: its so freaking useless wen the hell r we gonna apply this. And this hypothetical fellow (i quite a few) went to baulkham hills got 96 in his 2u adv. english, he regurgitated essays. (he does optom, achieved a...

true to a certain extent, even for english, sum people memorise essays for their hsc, they dont actually understand what they write, yet they still get high marks

Note how i said: he can speak fluently and can write essays. I think that passes the certain level of literacy. If u raise the standards where u MUST decrypt shakespeare and poetry, then system is a failure (more than it already is, i hope the next head of the BOS has the sense to make...

selective high schools??

most selective skools r like that

Well, in my school adv. english is compulsory

Well one main point i think raised b4, is that, is to prevent the further domination of fobs, which is true to an extent. The majority of students wont need to analyse texts in the future. So...answer this for me: Is it fair for a student to have his UAI pulled down because he could not decrypt...

Yeh i spose ur right in a sense, I dont hate shakespeare for his work, i just hate the fact how hes in the syllabus and we hafta analyse all his non-applicable work. But the english syllabus has lost its cause, and the news article was right, uni students are actually quite poor in grammar and...

I sure as hell hope they snoop around, realize the crap ther teaching at the skools =S To the teachers: u realize that half ur star students make up their essays, and have absolutely no idea what ther talkn about right? By the way, just outta curiosity fellas, if u went back in time into...

well actually...i was aiming for aerospace engineering, jz a tad off from a higih school drop kik electrician Like u said, u can survive with basic maths and we can survive with basic english, i never said maths shud b compulsory

Agreed with Raaaaaay. And incorrect, Maths requires logical argument, geometry is a classic example. You state your proof, by doing this you make your point, and your arguing your way through. Maths tests ur logical reasoning behind it all. Geometry is considered as one one of the harder areas...

Id agree to a certain extent, english is used because it sounds good ill quote from a frnd in class "why are there all these complicated words which mean exactly the same thing as much more simple words??" "so nobody can understand you!" Mathematics requires a clear train of thought and...

JESUS i cannot fathom the logic behind that. "What use is maths without communication" ok ffs lemme make this point loud and clear. Nearly every single person (well apart from the fobs) can speak fluently and write legibly at the end of yr10. ok? stop saying "oh without english we wouldnt b able...

@ watatank, english skills compared to maths skills in medicine? You need quite an amount of mathematics involved in medicine. Calculus is broadly used in the medical field, just that the students aren't taught where its used, so people say "how is calculus ever used". We only need a freaking...

Fine we'll stop arguing, but its the people who just "accept" things, seems like were pawns in a big game. If people had the willpower, a student rebellion against the state, although absurd, would work. This country better hope that I don't become the next leader. I would make a nazi holocaust...

I would stand by my view regardless of my marks in English. I absolutely agree on the goals of English: to expand our way of thinking, but my main point is, its useless because its NOT whats happening, if it were, then by all means make it compulsory, but the truth is, its NOT! Why should we...

That is why i dislike english, the subjectiveness is just too intense and unequitable. Let's face it, the more favoured students seem to always get the high marks. And even they admit that their name on the paper is worth at least 80% of the given marks =S Standard english is such a turn off in...

Thats impractical, the scaling implications are just too big to even be considered. ESL already scales better than standard, so a lower version is detrimental to the UAI

I absolutely agree with you. Honestly, don't argue with the "you wouldn't be able to write", so you people are telling me that you couldn't write in yr7-10? The top student in our school (which is selective) got 60/60 for his 3unit english, and he's a state speaker. He's dropping extension...

Now, thats the problem with people, we just "accept" it. I absolutely agree that English is quite useless. We will never apply words such as metaphor or juxtaposition, ever, in our entire lives. The subject is just a complete waste of time. Do you think its reasonable for a HSC student to...