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wizzkids

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2025 HSC Chemistry Examination
Section I

Question 1
An aqueous solution of an unknown acid (HA) is represented below.

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(Note the complete absence of any solvent molecules that would indicate
something about the concentration of this acid).
Which row of the table below best describes this question?

Stupid​
Conceited​
A.
Yes​
Yes​
B.
Yes​
No​
C.
No​
Yes
D.
No​
No
 

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bro I'm pretty sure this is obvious, they made it as unambigious as possible by making them so far apart that you would know it's diluted. even if there were other molecules, it would still be subjective. (this is a qualitative question anyway)
 

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bro I'm pretty sure this is obvious,
No, I'm sorry, it is not at all obvious.
I really hate how the examiners penalise the bright students who have extensive knowledge of Chemistry and can instantly recognise the stupidity in that question. If that diagram is taken literally, then the dissociated ions are about 3 Angstroms apart. Go do the math. In one cubic decimetre (1 litre) there would be 333 million x 333 million x 333 million ions or 3.7 x 1025 ions which is 61 moles in a litre. See?
 
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interestingly the syllabus almost always ties 'models' to 'weak and strong'/'concentrated and dilute'
e.g. "construct models and/or animations to communicate the differences between strong, weak, concentrated and dilute acids and bases"
they were likely expecting students to have been exposed to a variety of these models and so would recognise the meaning behind the diagram.
also, as question 1 of the paper, those who recognise the drawbacks to the diagram would still know what it is trying to represent. (especially since the question lacks any indication that it is supposed to be to scale)
 

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The illustration is clear / unambiguous in representing complete ionisation and thus a strong acid in the solvent.

If the solvent is water, using H+ rather than H3O+ is unfortunate in that it suggests an Arrhenius theory perspective / model (where strength was not described) rather that a LB model. The model could be a strong acid in a solvent where ionisation occurs but the proton (H+ ion) produced does not interact with the solvent... though I struggle to imagine what that solvent might be.

The interpretation of this diagram as representing a concentrated or dilute solution is much more subjective. There are only two cations and anions, which might suggest a low concentration, though their scale does appear to occupy much of the volume / box. Attempting to interpret a scale requires assumptions that are difficult to justify as the H+ and A- ions are the same size, and there is no anion, not even the hydride anion H-, that has a size that is near identical to a single proton. A second diagram of comparable size could illustrate a second solution where relative concentrations could be compared, but attributing and absolute concentration descriptor here is unlikely to be objectively reasonable in this sort of example, in my opinion.

I do agree with @wizzkids that questions with issues that more able students will notice and then attempt to address are poor assessment items and unfair. I recall a questions in the past where a mixture of five substances was dissolved, solids S1, S2, and S3, and liquids L1 and L2. The liquids were immiscible. S1 was soluble in L1 but not in L2. S2 was soluble in L2 but not in L1. S3 was not soluble in L1 nor in L2. A method for separating the mixture into its components was sought.

The intended answer was to filter to collect S3, then separate the immiscible layers of L1 and L2 using a separating funnel, then evaporate each solvent in a distillation apparatus to recover S1 and S2 as solids while recondensing the pure liquids L1 and L2.

However, some more capable students recognised that this method assumed that there was enough of the L1 so that all of the S1 was dissolved in that layer, and similarly for S2 and L2. If this were not the case, then the filtration step would yield a mixture that could contain S1, S2, and S3. Now, further liquids L1 and / or L2 could be added to the solid mix, but what if extra liquid was not supplied and this needed to be recycled after it was purified as above?

The answers became increasingly complicated, robbing more able students of valuable time, all arising because the question did not give any guidance on the quantities present. Students who didn't notice / care about this omission were then advantaged over those who did realise that quantities mattered. The mistake by the examiner left a question that appeared to have a trick that disadvantaging those who noticed it and inferred that the examiner intended for quantities to be considered.

It was a five mark, outline a method type question, so the intended answer did appear to involve too little for the marks, which added to the confusion on interpretation.

In short, wizzkids is right that bad question writing can disadvantage the more able students who recognise ambiguities and flaws.
 

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