Do internal marks and the mark seperation between ranks matter, or is it only the ranks that matter? (2 Viewers)

[v.tex]

For example, say one guy is averaging 60 percent in rank 3, while the other guy is averaging 30 percent in rank 4. When the 2 students sit the hsc, would the latter student effectively have to double his hsc mark to beat the student in rank 3 or even have a chance coming close to beating him?

Might be a dumb question, but am genuinely wondering, because i think i am locked in rank 3/4 for extension 2 and tbh im wondering whether i should just do enough study for the trial to keep my rank 3 going into the final exam and focus on my other exams more as rank 1 and 2 are a decent amount ahead of me in rank 3 and the other guy in rank 4.

 

[fromthethickofit]

me too, to add onto this if im ranked at the bottom of the cohort and pull a 90 in the hsc, how would this affect me because of my rank

 

[C2H6O]

In short yes, read more: https://www.nsw.gov.au/education-an.../assessment-moderation#toc-how-nesa-moderates
but TLDR; they barely mention it but in the video and implied throughout the article, the spread of students' internals is taken into account when they align these marks to externals, so it's like superimposing the internal box and whisker plot onto the external box and whisker plot, and these are averaged. this is very simplified and nesa doesn't make it abundantly clear to what extent this has an effect compared to other factors. also idk how having a class of 4 might affect this, and @fromthethickofit im pretty sure that means ur hsc mark gets averaged with whoever bottomed the hsc but the article also accounts for "special cases" which isn't very helpful. biggest takeaway is just do as well as you can bc you can't control the scaling so just lock in and have no regrets.

 

[coolcat6778]

im pretty sure that means ur hsc mark gets averaged with whoever bottomed the hsc but the article also accounts for "special cases" which isn't very helpful.

One of the special case is if the 1st internal ranker gets a shit mark, the 2nd internal ranker (who got the highest external mark in the school) doesn't have his assessment mark affected by the 1st internal ranker at all

 

[funnytomato]

In short yes, read more: https://www.nsw.gov.au/education-an.../assessment-moderation#toc-how-nesa-moderates
but TLDR; they barely mention it but in the video and implied throughout the article, the spread of students' internals is taken into account when they align these marks to externals, so it's like superimposing the internal box and whisker plot onto the external box and whisker plot, and these are averaged. this is very simplified and nesa doesn't make it abundantly clear to what extent this has an effect compared to other factors. also idk how having a class of 4 might affect this, and @fromthethickofit im pretty sure that means ur hsc mark gets averaged with whoever bottomed the hsc but the article also accounts for "special cases" which isn't very helpful. biggest takeaway is just do as well as you can bc you can't control the scaling so just lock in and have no regrets.

+1
In other words the gap between your rank and your previous person DOES matter
This is the correct explanation https://www.nsw.gov.au/education-an.../assessment-moderation#toc-how-nesa-moderates

You might have be confused by incorrect of over-simplified versions like this: https://www.matrix.edu.au/beginners-guide-to-atar-scaling/how-hsc-marks-are-calculated/
(i.e. they said the gap between ranks don't matter and the k'th internal rank gets the k'th external mark as internal assessment mark)