Do you think by withdrawing troops out of Iraq will... (1 Viewer)

[sugaryblue]

stop terrorist's attack in Australia?

 

[Josie]

No, withdrawal of the troops won't have any effect on that at all, because we are still sucking up to the US. IE supporting what they are doing in Iraq. I said it's too late, ie they should never have gone in in the first place!!!!!!

Not that I think we are much of a terrorist target anyway, who cares about piddly old Australia (in the big scheme of things. I mean, you could always get Irate Greens Members to stir things up a bit... or that architect guy who wanted to blow up Sydney)

 

[eviltama]

Its too late now too pull out, out of fear of terrorist attacks. We are on the list now and thats it.

What happens from now on.. happens

 

[PaleReflection]

I said it's too late. I don't think Australia is as big a target as some others countries ... like Josie said - who cares about Australia?
Still, we are supporters of the war, and more importantly supporters of America, which puts us in the bad books.

I disagree that we will be provoking terrorist attacks by pulling out - what Johnny and that were saying - I mean, aren't the terrorists going to be happy if we pull out?

 

[Xayma]

But doesnt saying they will be back before Christmas mean they are going to be there for years?

Howard isn't careless enough to withdraw troops now, we entered the country we have a responsibility to stay there until it can stand on its own feet.

 

[Ziff]

In the scheme of things we're there as part of the Coalition of the Willing - our involvement is entirely political to help the Americans justify their involvement in Iraq and to help the Americans show that they have "international" backing for their actions.

The War in Iraq and the War against Terrorism should not be confused. Just as the Palestinian problem and international terrorism should not be confused either. The international terrorists of today are markedly different to the Cold War era terrorists, todays terrorists aren't fighting for a specific cause such as their homeland (Palestein) etc - they're using these problems to gain support and stir up trouble in various nations.

Pulling out of Iraq won't make a difference at all. The USA and UK can undertake the same actions as we're doing already. Our Defence resources are stretched anyway and I think we should go back to a Keating-esque attitude of managing and protecting our own interests in Asia and the Pacific as opposed to piss-farting around in random other parts of the world that have little bearing on us.

We have a bigger terrorist problem emerging from Asian countries than from the Middle-Eastern counries and we should be focusing upon that.

 

[George W. Bush]

Originally posted by Asquithian
The conspiracy theory is

that john howard was going to announce that he would have thew troops back before christmas...however latham stole his thunder ...and now Howard is playing the we cant cut and run card

Actually, what happened is we got those ships from Area 51 to fly over Canberra and distribute mind-altering rays to get him to withdraw, but because Howard's shorter than Latham, Latham took the fucking bullet for him. God, that guy is such a pain in the ass.



Election 2004: Are you dumb enough to vote against national security?

 

[Ziff]

If people were really serious about national security they'd vote for the Gun Owners/Shooters Party. That's national security, none of this piss-ant let's get someone else to do it. It's as my Grandmother says: "If you want to scalp a terrorist you're going to have to do it yourself".

 

[George W. Bush]

You mistake private security with national security.

 

[Ziff]

If you see a terrorist and shoot him or her is that national or personal security?

Exactly, it's national security. If everyone had guns then there'd be no terrorism as the terrorists would be shot/ethnically cleansed.

 

[ohne]

Originally posted by Asquithian
The conspiracy theory is

that john howard was going to announce that he would have thew troops back before christmas...however latham stole his thunder ...and now Howard is playing the we cant cut and run card


could have been john howards election clincher! have all the boys back for xma with their families!

This could not be further from the truth: The majority of ADF personel in Iraq are either:

a. RAAF air traffic controllers working at Baghdad airport..
b. Troops protecting Australian diplomats.
c. Officers training the new Iraqi army.


Personally I don't see what all the fuss is about, or what benefit there would be of 'bringing the troops home by Christmas'. It is just another cheap political stunt being waged by Mark Latham and the ALP risking Australian and Iraqi lives.

 

[Josie]

Perhaps not all of you actually heard what Latham said. It wasn't just "bring them back for Christmas"... the rest of the sentence was something like "when they have fulfilled their duties". Of course, selective quoting happens all the time, but this one in particular annoys me. A bit like "hey, wait, you're copying American policies and speeches... people like it when you do it, but when I suck up to Mr Bush, people seem to get antsy. What's with that?" (apologies to our very own George W)

I agree with Ziff though, we are ignoring Asia at our own peril. Come 15 years (if any of you still know me), I'm willing to bet China will have taken over from America as lone superpower. $10.

 

[George W. Bush]

Originally posted by Ziff
If you see a terrorist and shoot him or her is that national or personal security?

Exactly, it's national security. If everyone had guns then there'd be no terrorism as the terrorists would be shot/ethnically cleansed.

The whole point of terrorism is that you can't tell terrorists from civilians unless you catch them doing stuff.

Actually, the whole point is more blowing stuff up or something, but you know what I mean.

 

[Xayma]

Originally posted by Josie
I agree with Ziff though, we are ignoring Asia at our own peril. Come 15 years (if any of you still know me), I'm willing to bet China will have taken over from America as lone superpower. $10.

Your on, Im betting it wont be till 2035-2050. Now is that $10 indexed for inflation?

Now Im going to take the literal wording of LONE superpower so if America is still a world superpower, you lose (ie if it is a Cold War style reanactment (with two superpowers))

 

[KarmaKitten]

It might.

We are already on their hit list but maybe if we remove troops it might stop it. But im not entirely sure, i think they are set on revenge and will attack Australia.

Its too late to withdraw troops but i still think they should

 

[ameh]

It doesn't matter, the damage is already done

 

[Ashleet]

i'm gonna agree with the two peoples above me in that even if we do withdraw the troops, we are still publicly known to have help out the US ,which immediately places us as a target regardless of a withdrawal.

but i do think that a percentage (only a small percentage) of the troops should remain in Iraq, but only as security for the innocent people of Iraq and to help re-establish international relations with Australia, rather than a pawn in the US mission of advancement for their cause.

 

[Katie123]

It is so scaary that our lives lay in the hands of politicians ie John Howard who is insisting on keeping troops in iraq just so that Bush will like him. Who cares about the common people...? obviously not lil johnny

 

[santaslayer]

Originally posted by amoz_lilo
It doesn't matter, the damage is already done

:uhhuh:......and they'll remember us for it...

 

[Josie]

Originally posted by Ashleet
i'm gonna agree with the two peoples above me in that even if we do withdraw the troops, we are still publicly known to have help out the US ,which immediately places us as a target regardless of a withdrawal.

but i do think that a percentage (only a small percentage) of the troops should remain in Iraq, but only as security for the innocent people of Iraq and to help re-establish international relations with Australia, rather than a pawn in the US mission of advancement for their cause.

Small percentage..... it's only 250 to being with!

And Xayma, yes, LONE superpower, and no, it's not indexed to inflation.