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if anyone one needs any help with there faith let us know! we will try to answer any questions you have
 

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Hmm, apparently to take them out of this cruel space and reunite them in heaven.

Or reincarnate them into better humans.
 

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Hmm, apparently to take them out of this cruel space and reunite them in heaven.

Or reincarnate them into better humans.
Ye but that's not even true, reincarnation is just something people came up with so people are ok with living miserable lives until they die. It gives people hope that this life sucks but that's ok and you can't do anything about it because the next life will be better. Instead of living in poverty and misery, I would rather work to improve my current life which is 100% guaranteed to me unlike the made up reincarnated life which never comes.

If reincarnation is true, who decides who gets what life and how can one entity do it all and do it fairly? Also, since world population is not fixed but always increasing, how can you explain that there are more people than previously. Should there not only be a person born when one dies and is reincarnated?
 

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Using “hmm” and ”apparently“ in your argument makes it sound like you’re not sure yourself
Yeah. I’m not too sure myself but it’s based on verdicts from people at my school.

I can’t reason with that as in the innocent people, I don’t know how to counteract it. I just know that God exists and that the morale of life on earth predetermine life after death upon Judgement Day.
 

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Ye but that's not even true, reincarnation is just something people came up with so people are ok with living miserable lives until they die. It gives people hope that this life sucks but that's ok and you can't do anything about it because the next life will be better. Instead of living in poverty and misery, I would rather work to improve my current life which is 100% guaranteed to me unlike the made up reincarnated life which never comes.

If reincarnation is true, who decides who gets what life and how can one entity do it all and do it fairly? Also, since world population is not fixed but always increasing, how can you explain that there are more people than previously. Should there not only be a person born when one dies and is reincarnated?
We humans are given freedom and free will to do as we desire on earth. God is fair and just and allows us to make those decisions in order for us to choose which path we take in life or which actions we take. Regardless of whether that be a wickedness/evil way or a Pure and Godly way. For instance, Hitler, manhandled his capacity and unrestrained choice and requested a great many individuals to be killed. God couldn't change that because it was the human choice that hitler was given. God frequently wont change the circumstance however he will utilize that circumstance to change you or a country. God will likewise consistently take out positives out of something evil and use it to make good.

In other words, do not blame god for peoples suffering, blame the people.
 

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Also, he created the world independently. He was human. He made mistakes. However, in the process he made something wonderful. Also, what about wealthy people. You would think all the money they have they can't spare a few millions to help those suffering. 🙏
 
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We humans are given freedom and free will to do as we desire on earth. God is fair and just and allows us to make those decisions in order for us to choose which path we take in life or which actions we take. Regardless of whether that be a wickedness/evil way or a Pure and Godly way. For instance, Hitler, manhandled his capacity and unrestrained choice and requested a great many individuals to be killed. God couldn't change that because it was the human choice that hitler was given. God frequently wont change the circumstance however he will utilize that circumstance to change you or a country. God will likewise consistently take out positives out of something evil and use it to make good.

In other words, do not blame god for peoples suffering, blame the people.
I agree that we should blame people for suffering rather than god but only because there is no god and it is people who are responsible for their actions.

If god exists, is it not his job to protect people from unfair suffering? For example, if you look at the Khmer Rouge where babies were bashed to death by their heads on a tree, did anyone deserve that or did a greater good come out of the Khmer Rouge? That is not to name the torture and other crimes/people killed of the Rouge, something like 20% of Cambodia's population died during this time, would you not expect god to help these people?

If god's purpose is not to help people then why do people pray and go to church, should the people at church not be told that god doesn't help and that he only "creates the circumstances" in some of which people are degraded, used and killed by others.
 

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Either you believe in it or you don't. No one can 100% say that the other one is wrong. It really makes no sense arguing about it...
 

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I agree that we should blame people for suffering rather than god but only because there is no god and it is people who are responsible for their actions.

If god exists, is it not his job to protect people from unfair suffering? For example, if you look at the Khmer Rouge where babies were bashed to death by their heads on a tree, did anyone deserve that or did a greater good come out of the Khmer Rouge? That is not to name the torture and other crimes/people killed of the Rouge, something like 20% of Cambodia's population died during this time, would you not expect god to help these people?

If god's purpose is not to help people then why do people pray and go to church, should the people at church not be told that god doesn't help and that he only "creates the circumstances" in some of which people are degraded, used and killed by others.
perhaps god isn't a human :). That would explain this argument you made. We don't care about whether cockroaches are being killed. But frankly this would make praying to god quite useless, just like cockroaches praying to us being useless.

So I suppose for the argument to continue, God must be a human. Being full human, however, makes his existence extremely hard to contend. So what seems to be argued is that he is human, yet no human at the same time, which imo, makes a pretty dodgy argument.
 

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I agree that we should blame people for suffering rather than god but only because there is no god and it is people who are responsible for their actions.

If god exists, is it not his job to protect people from unfair suffering? For example, if you look at the Khmer Rouge where babies were bashed to death by their heads on a tree, did anyone deserve that or did a greater good come out of the Khmer Rouge? That is not to name the torture and other crimes/people killed of the Rouge, something like 20% of Cambodia's population died during this time, would you not expect god to help these people?

If god's purpose is not to help people then why do people pray and go to church, should the people at church not be told that god doesn't help and that he only "creates the circumstances" in some of which people are degraded, used and killed by others.
That is true their is a lot of pain and suffering in this world, this deeply hurts God because this dwells from the roots of evil, God has an unconditional love for humans and that is why he forgives us of wrong and allows us to share his peace, God saw what was going on in the world and created Jesus his son in human form to share these burdens and lead the people to the truth. Jesus was condemned and crucified by the people without a cause, Jesus sacrificed his own life on the cross for our sins, so we may come to repentance. However, Jesus was raised from the dead, which shows how we may have suffering now but will have peace for eternity and the people who abuse the free will of God will be sent to hell.
 

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That is true their is a lot of pain and suffering in this world, this deeply hurts God because this dwells from the roots of evil, God has an unconditional love for humans and that is why he forgives us of wrong and allows us to share his peace, God saw what was going on in the world and created Jesus his son in human form to share these burdens and lead the people to the truth. Jesus was condemned and crucified by the people without a cause, Jesus sacrificed his own life on the cross for our sins, so we may come to repentance. However, Jesus was raised from the dead, which shows how we may have suffering now but will have peace for eternity and the people who abuse the free will of God will be sent to hell.
I understand where people come from with the argument for God's existence, but the idea of hell and heaven seems cultish and bs.

Cultish as in, the inherent belief that you are superior if you believe in God because you will end up in heaven.
 

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That is true their is a lot of pain and suffering in this world, this deeply hurts God because this dwells from the roots of evil, God has an unconditional love for humans and that is why he forgives us of wrong and allows us to share his peace, God saw what was going on in the world and created Jesus his son in human form to share these burdens and lead the people to the truth. Jesus was condemned and crucified by the people without a cause, Jesus sacrificed his own life on the cross for our sins, so we may come to repentance. However, Jesus was raised from the dead, which shows how we may have suffering now but will have peace for eternity and the people who abuse the free will of God will be sent to hell.
None of that is based on anything real or logical, it's like if I make up a story with nothing to support it and you are supposed to treat it as the truth. All this is stuff is just what people are told as a way of maintaining control over them. That argument makes a big assumption that god is even real to begin with, I think it's important to show some logical proof of god's existence before attempting to justify his actions.
 

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None of that is based on anything real or logical, it's like if I make up a story with nothing to support it and you are supposed to treat it as the truth. All this is stuff is just what people are told as a way of maintaining control over them. That argument makes a big assumption that god is even real to begin with, I think it's important to show some logical proof of god's existence before attempting to justify his actions.
They argue this by stating that there are many texts justifying Jesus's existence. And this then justifies God's existence.
 

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