Dropping Advanced English... is it to late? (1 Viewer)

[theonly1]

Hey, just wondering if it is to late to drop advanced English and do Standard?


Edit: the reason why i want to drop Advanced english is;

1) i have a high workload... Math 2U, Physics, Bio and Ancient (to me it is a lot of work/revision)
2) I`m not to good at english and am a slow reader when it comes to books + the part about paying attention to what i am reading
3) i`m hoping for a Atar of +80. so i can get in my course. i`m also hoping that my advanced mark will compensate for the bad scale of standard

 

[laura-jayne14]

Depends... Each school has different rules. Why do you want to drop? What are your marks like?

 

[Queenroot]

don't drop

 

[plutonium-238]

Why are you wanting to drop advanced english?

 

[Queenroot]

Do not standard

 

[turnerloos]

Do not standard

Why not?

 

[anomalousdecay]

Do not drop.

Aligning is so bad that even the state rankers usually get a 92-93.

And only 0.5% of the standard cohort gets a Band 6 even.

 

[anomalousdecay]

This guy knows what he's talking about.

Oh, and don't do standard. Please. You will regret it.

It is all statistics really:

Standard: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BDHSC_2012_12_15130.html

Advanced: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BDHSC_2012_12_15140.html

You can argue that not many people in standard try, however, going off these statistics less than 170 people got a Band 6 in standard in 2012, compared to over 3400 who got Band 6 in advanced in 2012.

Also, I'm pretty sure at least 5000 out of the 30000ish of the standard cohort would try their best and still get Band 4's.

However some other cases like mine of trying their best in advanced by still getting Band 4 is possible, though I may have done a lot worse in standard in that case.


But overall, stick to advanced. It is much easier to get a higher mark there.

 

[LeadTaco]

It is all statistics really:

Standard: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BDHSC_2012_12_15130.html

Advanced: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BDHSC_2012_12_15140.html

You can argue that not many people in standard try, however, going off these statistics less than 170 people got a Band 6 in standard in 2012, compared to over 3400 who got Band 6 in advanced in 2012.

Also, I'm pretty sure at least 5000 out of the 30000ish of the standard cohort would try their best and still get Band 4's.

However some other cases like mine of trying their best in advanced by still getting Band 4 is possible, though I may have done a lot worse in standard in that case.


But overall, stick to advanced. It is much easier to get a higher mark there.

What about Maths and General Maths?

Because I dropped down last year

 

[ShadowLighte]

I guess I should have stuck to advanced though it was daunting. It's never too late to drop though yes it does depend on your school. Too bad I dropped during rollover in Year 11 and yeah I actually regret it. The people in my class don't care to do work and the teachers don't really take it as seriously as advanced. At the same time the teachers think we're slow or something but that's just my situation. You should talk to your English teacher, I'm pretty sure they'll help you with any problems.

 

[Maxwell]

Well, think of it like this:
- Chances are you've completed one module. This means you've already done an assessment task (well, most likely). Therefore, your estimate for the Standard task may equate to the same mark, or maybe a tad more (if your school does estimates or w/e).
In addition, just because you've gotten a higher mark for this assessment task (in standard, that is and IF you get a higher mark), you probably won't be familiar with the prescribed texts (and you won't have a related, either). This means you'll probably have to catch up on reading the first prescribed text (whilst learning a new module and trying to find a related text).
Furthermore, the holidays JUST finished, and you were probably under the impression "I may or I may not drop," meaning you probably didn't read the prescribed texts (this I am assuming. But if I were in your position, I probably wouldn't have either because I wasn't 100% sure I was dropping). Hence, you've missed out on a big opportunity to catch up, as during the term there is a high workload. This, coupled with the subpar aligning/scaling of Standard English leads to my conclusion; that is, to not drop to Standard.

Nevertheless, you must take into account your workload/your school's policies regarding dropping a subject this late/what you feel is right. At the end of the day, the HSC is worked up to the point where everybody is so concerned about what scales/aligns the best, that they don't even take into account what they're actually feeling. Just do what YOU feel is right.



#unedited/late noh8

 

[theonly1]

Well, think of it like this:

Furthermore, the holidays JUST finished, and you were probably under the impression "I may or I may not drop," meaning you probably didn't read the prescribed texts (this I am assuming. But if I were in your position, I probably wouldn't have either because I wasn't 100% sure I was dropping).

#unedited/late noh8

thanks for the detailed reply....Also, can you read my mind? i didnt read the prescribe text

 

[LoveHateSchool]

Much better to stick it out in Adv imho when you've come this far.

 

[enoilgam]

It is all statistics really:

Standard: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BDHSC_2012_12_15130.html

Advanced: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BDHSC_2012_12_15140.html

You can argue that not many people in standard try, however, going off these statistics less than 170 people got a Band 6 in standard in 2012, compared to over 3400 who got Band 6 in advanced in 2012.

Also, I'm pretty sure at least 5000 out of the 30000ish of the standard cohort would try their best and still get Band 4's.

However some other cases like mine of trying their best in advanced by still getting Band 4 is possible, though I may have done a lot worse in standard in that case.


But overall, stick to advanced. It is much easier to get a higher mark there.

This is pretty much my line of thinking when it comes to Standard. Ultimately, Standard isnt much easier and given the difference in aligning, it isnt worth dropping down.

 

[anomalousdecay]

What about Maths and General Maths?

Because I dropped down last year

Similar case.

However, I would say that General Maths is much much easier than 2-unit maths, whereas Advanced English and Standard English have similar difficulty. So sometimes (as the case of what happened in my 2-unit class in year 11), the difficulty change is justified with dropping down.

Though with Standard and Advanced, you still basically need to write the same essays. The texts are a little easier to comprehend though (it doesn't really make much of a difference to Advanced if you try hard enough).

Here are statistics from 2012:

For General Maths: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BDHSC_2012_12_15230.html

Less than 1800 people got a band 6 for it.

Whereas for 2-unit: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebos/static/BDHSC_2012_12_15240.html

Over 3000 people got a band 6. However, the 2-unit candidature is almost half that of General. Also, in General, less students take it seriously, so the aligning is usually just as well. It is not a problem like with English.

The problem with General Mathematics is that the scaling is not too great for your ATAR whereas for the two English courses this is not a factor.

However, this problem is quite minimal, as an 80 in General compared to 2-unit would get you around 8/100 aggregate less. Comparing 70 in both, and the aggregate in general is approximately 15/100 less than that of 2-unit. However, comparing to a 90 in both, general will scale 4/100 aggregate less than 2-unit, which is fairly minimal.

So I would say dropping down to General Mathematics is not as bad as dropping down to Standard English in terms of difficulties and effort. I know people who did General and got around 85, but they were not as good at maths and getting lower in class marks than a student who ended up with 75 in 2-unit, so their choice of moving down actually helped their ATAR a bit.

But then again, there are cases of when a student could have been capable to get higher in 2-unit, so it depends on the student's situation really.

This is pretty much my line of thinking when it comes to Standard. Ultimately, Standard isnt much easier and given the difference in aligning, it isnt worth dropping down.

This is the main advantage of why it is better to stay in Advanced now.