Family First: Their policies (2 Viewers)

[loquasagacious]

I was reading Family First's policy section and aside from the giggles their porno policy provides I found it a really strange mix of progressive and conservative policy. For example:

health means more than mere absence of disease and encompasses a state of well-being that is physical, psychological and social.

holistic development of children

These both seem fairly progressive in their outlook.

promotion of working conditions that respect the dignity of all participants in the workforce.

Family First will work with Unions.... champion opportunities for all Australian families including those sectors who have historically been disadvantaged.

Almsot sounds like we're talking about ACP policy.

reverse the declining trends in the birth rate if our economic prosperity is to be preserved.

Peter Costello? Populate or Perish, we need 50 million people and we need them fast.

Family First acknowledges the immensely positive and enriching contributions migrants have made to the development of our nation......well managed and compassionate intakes of new migrants and refugees,.....will continue to have a positive impact on our society's growth and prosperity.

Certainly not Pauline Hanson or other xenophope politicians usually found at the far right.

Family First believes in Australia being a signatory to international agreements that acknowledge the global nature of environmental problems.

The Greens and Labor want to ratify the kyoto protocol. Do environmental concerns over-ride afore-mentioned populate or perish.

Family First sees the promotion of social, economic and political justice as integral to our global responsibilities and integral to removing the causes of the war on terror and will champion a substantial increase in the level of Australian overseas aid.

Labor doesnt stray this far left, this is more the territory of the Greens, John Pilger, Howard Zinn, Naomi Klien and Noam Chomsky.

Family First believes that older Australians have a wealth of knowledge and experience which deserves to be valued and respected as playing a vital role in the formation of new generations.

WE swing back to the opposite end, social conservatism..... 'young people these days' etc etc

the need to protect Australia's borders from illegal immigration and threats to the security and health of Australians.

The health of Australians, sounding like the Liberal afraid Asylum seekers might carry disease like her dog....

Family First believes that Australia should seek to advance improvement in the levels of international co-operation and wider recognition of responsibilities to offer asylum and protection to refugees and other displaced persons so as to share the load more equitably amongst nations.

Seems to soften abit, however also have no apparent mastery of basic math, Germany, Italy, the UK and France all get around 50,000 asylum seekers a year (numbers may be slightly off) and in a big year we might get 3,000.... go figure.

Family First believes that as soon as health, identity and security issues have been resolved asylum seekers should be transferred to low security hostel facilities until their claims can be fully processed.

Sounds like we're back on the left.

defend parents' rights to choose schooling that supports their family's values.

Suspicously like Liberal party line, or rather the wants of church members with children in church schools.....

a Mandatory Filtering Scheme (to remove porn) at the ISP Server Level in this country.

Firmly on the right, reactionary social policy.

Joint Guardianship is important and beneficial to the child, it does not go far enough.

Is anyone familiar with the black shirts group of dads who harrass mothers who have sole custody......?


My point is that it seems as if there is no cohesive vision or world outlook and in cases conflicting policy on the same issue. I'm not meaning to suggest that things should be decided by ideology but that their policies seem to be a strange dichotomy.

Note: When I have time to review their long form policy I may bring more intersting tid-bits foreward for consideration.

 

[waterfowl]

I think they do have a cohesive vision. Just because their policies are similar to those from many differing partys it doesn't mean that they are "wishy-washy".
To me it says that they are taking the best policies of all partys in order to create a policy that betters Australia as a whole.

 

[Generator]

It isn't a case of populate or perish.

The party is out of touch (at least). Their take on the family is quite narrow.

 

[thorrnydevil]

It isn't a case of populate or perish.

The party is out of touch (at least). Their take on the family is quite narrow.

Sorry, please explain to me who got the seats in the Senate...the Democrats or Family First? Can you clear that up for me please?

 

[thorrnydevil]

what percentage of the vote did FF get?

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit...

Its effective though.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

well technically i don't believe 40% of the vote is 'in touch with the electorate'.

 

[Bone577]

The policies they put on their web page are quite non-specific. I can imagine the Liberals saying that they support the "immensely positive and enriching contributions migrants have made to the development of our nation". (My browser freezes when i try to go to the website, maybe someone else will try finding similarities in what they say).

This could all be a bunch of euphemisms, they haven't stated any real stance as such, they did not comment on any specific cases.

A deeper look into their policies, with stances on specific cases would be far more telling, they obviously want to sound as great as possible, and this may not be any real indication.

Even better wait to see what they support in the senate.

 

[Comrade nathan]

Sorry, please explain to me who got the seats in the Senate...the Democrats or Family First? Can you clear that up for me please?

So because alot of reactionaries voted for them that makes them right. So when Htiler's party go voted in it was becuase there policies were right.

CPA article of FFP

If you read that article you will notice the reall FFP is starting to show. I think throught the next 3 years we will see the really FFP emerge.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

So because alot of reactionaries voted for them that makes them right. So when Htiler's party go voted in it was becuase there policies were right.

CPA article of FFP

If you read that article you will notice the reall FFP is starting to show. I think throught the next 3 years we will see the really FFP emerge.

No of course not,
Just like when Stalin got into power.

 

[katie_tully]

Originally Posted by Family First
health means more than mere absence of disease and encompasses a state of well-being that is physical, psychological and social.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Family First
holistic development of children

Congratulations Family First, you can quote the Preliminary PD H PE syllabus.

 

[malkin86]

I thought they got that from the World Health Organisation, katie?

 

[katie_tully]

MEANINGS OF HEALTH

• "Health as absence of disease"

• "Health as a holistic concept"

• Dimensions of health

- Physical, mental, social and spirutal.
Health means focussing on the whole, a state of complete physical mental and spcial well being and not merely the absence of disease.

WHO defined health, but that quote from whats his face that started the thread looks like something out of a pd health text book

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Wow, why would a politicals quote about what health is look much different from a pd book's quote?

 

[katie_tully]

Wow I wonder why that is???!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

What a revelation!

NOTE TO SELF. DO NOT BE OBSERVANT.

 

[Raiks]

So because alot of reactionaries voted for them that makes them right. So when Htiler's party go voted in it was becuase there policies were right.

CPA article of FFP

If you read that article you will notice the reall FFP is starting to show. I think throught the next 3 years we will see the really FFP emerge.

We can't forget about Hitler's achievements in forging germany's economic prosperity out of recession and implementing social policy such as personal automotive vehicle ownership.

I'm not saying he was a good man though, he was elected and re-elected because of his achievements and policies... what he did besides that is well... history.

 

[Comrade nathan]

We can't forget about Hitler's achievements in forging germany's economic prosperity out of recession and implementing social policy such as personal automotive vehicle ownership.

I'm not saying he was a good man though, he was elected and re-elected because of his achievements and policies... what he did besides that is well... history.

And the great propoganda maching Goebell invented.

 

[loquasagacious]

We can't forget about Hitler's achievements in forging germany's economic prosperity out of recession and implementing social policy such as personal automotive vehicle ownership.

I'm not saying he was a good man though, he was elected and re-elected because of his achievements and policies... what he did besides that is well... history.

Raiks, I really hope you are not sitting the HSC modern history exam, and I really hope that you do study Modern History and Hitler at some time. In the meantime heres some quick facts from someone who has.

The economic recocery was overseen by Dr Schacht who was replaced by Hitler becasue he cautioned Hitler against inflationary policies.

The autobahn and other public works projects like them which helped stimulate the economy had in fact been planned by the Weimar Governments which pre-ceeded Hitler.

Unemployment levels were artificially low because of consription into the labour service and the armed forces, jews, women and political opponents were also excluded from the figures.

Taxation increased as did 'voluntary contributions'. Real wages fell about 20% as they were centrally set and prices rose beyond them.

Small businesses were dissolved by law in 1937. Large cartels and arms companies made vast profits as workers wages were low and they were banned from striking.

Schatt pushed up inflation by printing money when it ran out and issuing businesses with I.O.U.s.

The economic policies under both schatt and Goering (who replaced him) were unsustainable in peace time.

By the end of the war Germany quite literally had no wealth, more than 90% of Germany's wealth had been spent.

Also as far as his popularity:

He never achieved a majority in a free election.

Even in a one party election the nazi's polled only 95%.

The SA forced the reichstag to pass laws like the enabling act, to ban political parties and ultimately to disolve itself.

The violence during the Reichstag elections of 33 was so severe that civil war was a real possibility and the army informed the governmnet that they could not maintain order (and would have to choose a side) if war between the SA and the Iron Front broke out.

 

[timrie6]

I think they do have a cohesive vision. Just because their policies are similar to those from many differing partys it doesn't mean that they are "wishy-washy".
To me it says that they are taking the best policies of all partys in order to create a policy that betters Australia as a whole.

To me Family First is an insane homophobic cult and I put them 2nd last when I voted, followed by David Ettridge

 

[waterfowl]

To me Family First is an insane homophobic cult and I put them 2nd last when I voted, followed by David Ettridge

Well thats nice

 

[timrie6]

Well thats nice

Do you condone witch burning?