Ford vs Holden (3 Viewers)

[transcendent]

Aussie cars gotta battle it out but most reviews are one sided and for a good reason.

 

[shortygb]

i knew it wouldnt be long until this came up

well i cant say im a ford or holden fan, im a fence sitter on this one, i dont mind either one.

 

[waddle_828]

another acronym for ford, even though i voted for them: F**KED on race day...

lol

 

[transcendent]

i'm sympathetic to Ford, their cars look alright and in some reviews are better but that feul consumption thing is a killer and they're heavier. the current issue of MOTOR which is doing an article on Bang for your Buck the Fords rate terribly in comparison to Holden.

 

[waddle_828]

but ford is releasing new models that beat holdens fuel consumption by a few hundred meters/litre

from the humble falcon v commodre, right up to the fairmont gia v calais

 

[bowman]

depends on the years,
i like some models better than others.
all the way through the 90's holdens owned.
dont get me started on how ugly AU falcons are
but i like both equally

 

[mr_brightside]

whats the difference between a golf ball and a ford?

Spoiler

you can drive a golf ball 200 yards...kekekeke

doesnt mean i love holdens though..

 

[breaking]

i wasnt a big fan of the styling of recent holdens until they released the current SS models. yum!

 

[transcendent]

You got to think to yourself, if your buying a large car, especially australian made, your going to pay a lot in fuel (generally) and people who buy them realise this. This especially relates to those who buy HSV/FPV these people dont buy 6.0L V8's to be economical, they buy them for what they do and pay the fuel beacuse they like the car for what it is. It annoys me when in car mags they chose say FPV over HSV or the other way around when the only thing in it is one or two L per 100kms of fuel usage.

I really dont think that fuel consumption is what people buy Holden over Ford, or Ford over holden for its beacuse the overall car, especially not FPV HSV buyers.

murf

read MOTOR September 2005 issue.
the Fords lose power mid-corner consistently. i generally scan over the whole Ford vs Holden articles cause i feel they're generally biased towards one or the other. if i were to get a Ford i'd get the new Focus Hatch or the XR6 Turbo. if i were to get the Holden i'd get the Astra Classic or the Holden Commodore SS before grille revisal.

 

[SlipStream]

another acronym for ford, even though i voted for them: F**KED on race day...

lol

How ironic that the two SBR cars are leading the V8SC Championship 1-2, however under your philosophy they are "fucked". Makes me wonder how bad the Commonwhores are...

lol

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The Ford vs. Holden argument is so juvenile and age old. This thread will likely be pages and pages long, full of morons stating "Holden is da best coz my dad drives a Jackeroo" and then other people arguing against it for whatever reason...

You can't have an argument when opinions and preferences are involved - especially when both parties think they're in the right. However I prefer the blue oval, and can say that the Commodore is the only car I really hate. Don't mind the Astra, Vectra, and all the other Euro GM cars but I cannot stand the Commodore.

www.fordaustraliaforums.com - that's where my allegiances are.

 

[Cape]

How ironic that the two SBR cars are leading the V8SC Championship 1-2, however under your philosophy they are "fucked". Makes me wonder how bad the Commonwhores are.

FORD = First On Race Day

I love ford as well! My fav, so much better than holden!

 

[transcendent]

well the people who made that drew an oval, not a circle

 

[SlipStream]

read MOTOR September 2005 issue.
the Fords lose power mid-corner consistently. i generally scan over the whole Ford vs Holden articles cause i feel they're generally biased towards one or the other. if i were to get a Ford i'd get the new Focus Hatch or the XR6 Turbo. if i were to get the Holden i'd get the Astra Classic or the Holden Commodore SS before grille revisal.

For fuck sake, the journos AREN'T biased! They have no reason to be! Just because they are comparing one car with another - Ford/Holden, BMW/Mercedes, Toyota/Nissan, whatever - doesn't mean that they are biased to one of the cars in question! The journos can't even name a clear winner nowadays otherwise they'll be labelled as 'biased' by people like you - if the Holden is the better car and they say so, the Ford fans all jump up in arms and criticise them for being "biased" - it's the same picture if the Ford is the better drive and they say so, the Holden pack all stamp their footsies in disbelief. And most - if not all - haven't even driven both to make a comparison, let alone a fair comparison.

So please, get off the journos' backs.

 

[SlipStream]

lol dont be a smartass

SlipStream - no need to get worked up about it....people are entitled to their opinions, getting worked up and swaring wont help it will simply result in the topics being closed and the forum being taken away. After all we're all just having a bit of fun.

Murf

No worries mate. It's just that I know all the guys at MOTOR, and how much of this shit they get - all the dozens of angry emails from the respective fans. I'm looking at being a motoring writer as well - aiming to be the editor of MOTOR before I turn 26 (trying to beat current record held my current Ed, Jesse Taylor), and will be thrown into that little specialised area as early as next year - dealing with accusations of prejudice is easy, but just annoying when you get so many of them.

And the topics get closed and forum get taken away? This is BoS - I doubt it. I'm surprised they even have moderators in some parts of these forums... being a mod at a Ford forum, I guess having a look through some of the discussions on BoS highlights how conservative we are at FAF (Ford Australia Forums). Any sniff of religious discussion, political or controversial, and it's locked instantly.

 

[transcendent]

For fuck sake, the journos AREN'T biased! They have no reason to be! Just because they are comparing one car with another - Ford/Holden, BMW/Mercedes, Toyota/Nissan, whatever - doesn't mean that they are biased to one of the cars in question! The journos can't even name a clear winner nowadays otherwise they'll be labelled as 'biased' by people like you - if the Holden is the better car and they say so, the Ford fans all jump up in arms and criticise them for being "biased" - it's the same picture if the Ford is the better drive and they say so, the Holden pack all stamp their footsies in disbelief. And most - if not all - haven't even driven both to make a comparison, let alone a fair comparison.

So please, get off the journos' backs.

meh, for something like Wheels i believe their articles but MOTOR's comparison runs Ford to the ground when Wheel's one show that they win some of the reviews. i'm a fence sitter so i'll take the review articles to be truth. doesn't mean i'll always trust them cause different car magazines have different reviews on which ones are the winner. so how do you tell?

 

[shortygb]

How ironic that the two SBR cars are leading the V8SC Championship 1-2, however under your philosophy they are "fucked". Makes me wonder how bad the Commonwhores are...

lol

well thats because the v8 supercars share nothing in common with the road cars, and thanks to Project Blue Print it has made ford equal if not better to holdens. i still think they should of held of PBP for a year to see how the BA comapreds to the VY, then they should introduce it if it is still holden dominated. you cant compare race cars to road cars, they are too diffrent.

 

[SlipStream]

meh, for something like Wheels i believe their articles but MOTOR's comparison runs Ford to the ground when Wheel's one show that they win some of the reviews. i'm a fence sitter so i'll take the review articles to be truth. doesn't mean i'll always trust them cause different car magazines have different reviews on which ones are the winner. so how do you tell?

Motoring journalism is based on preference of the person who is writing the article. i.e. they may like one car better than the other. That's why in one magazine they could say the Falcon is better, and in the other the Commodore is better. It's simply that each writer has a different preference to the cars they have tested. How do you tell? You tell by who is the most experienced tester. An article from someone of the calibre of Peter Robinson is incomparable to some editorial guy who drove both cars and picked the one with the most cupholders.

 

[SlipStream]

well thats because the v8 supercars share nothing in common with the road cars, and thanks to Project Blue Print it has made ford equal if not better to holdens. i still think they should of held of PBP for a year to see how the BA comapreds to the VY, then they should introduce it if it is still holden dominated. you cant compare race cars to road cars, they are too diffrent.

The V8 Supercars share their basic chassis with the road cars. That's it. I'd agree with you if they were spaceframe, but they're not. They're not even semi-spaceframe, they're a complete road car tub with a berko roll cage.

And the V8 Supercars couldn't be more equal - it comes down to set up. You can tell the teams with the better set up from the shitter ones by looking at the championship ladder - SBR have the right idea when it comes to setup, better than anyone else in the series at the moment.

The differences don't come between the manufacturers, they come between the teams. And that's the way it should be. SBR would be as successful as they are at the moment even if they had Commodores over Falcons.

 

[waddle_828]

read MOTOR September 2005 issue.
the Fords lose power mid-corner consistently. i generally scan over the whole Ford vs Holden articles cause i feel they're generally biased towards one or the other. if i were to get a Ford i'd get the new Focus Hatch or the XR6 Turbo. if i were to get the Holden i'd get the Astra Classic or the Holden Commodore SS before grille revisal.

i would probably buy the xr8, but totally agree with your other cars...

one of my friends dads has a black ss before the grill change...one very nice car!

edit: though my dream holden would be a hsv grange... yummy!

 

[SlipStream]

Yeh Skaifey is a tool - very arrogant - but I don't hate him as much as I do Rick Kelly. What an ungrateful little turd. I hate the way he talks - like a 14 year old late for his first shift at KFC.

Yeh CAMS are supposed to look after the rules, but they monitor them so freakin closely it takes some of the fun out of the V8s. And AVESCO? Tony Cochrone is so obsessed with making money he is starting to compromise the "Australian flavour" of the V8s - i.e. by going to China (I mean, WTF??) one Oz round had to loose out.

lol Holden fans are just dumb sometimes. On a forum cruise we went to Eastern Creek a few years back, and Skaifey spun in front of us near Capitol Hill, this little kid donned in Holden gear shouts in his little kiddy voice "go skaifey go!" We then started to make fun of him, shouting similarly - albeit sarcastic - cheers to ol stuck Skaifey.