kaspa and boof, gooooooooooooooone!! (1 Viewer)

[dawso]

oh yeah, bout time they got rid of old man lehman, and despite the fact that kaspa was bowlin well, so was lee and he didnt deserve 2 go, finially the aussie selectors hav actually changed the team for any reason other than injury, even clarkey didnt make it in except for lahman bein a fat bastard and even then they got rid of katich, wtf!?!?!?!

anyway, so if ya didnt hear it, kaspa and lehman out, watson and scg macgill are in!! wo0t w0ot, i will finally get my moneys worth on monday!!

 

[aj_number_10]

I dont really get your argument.

You say its about time to change the team. Why do they need to change it? They were a real winning team and theres no point making changes for the sake of it. I dont know how anyone can really be convinced Watson deserves to be in the side, i really don't. Even though I see the logic behind it with the need for another medium pacer\quick If you play MacGill, I just don't think its fair to guys like Lee and Katich who really have been knocking on the door for a while now.

Kasprowitz will be back without doubt. MacGill will not be considered for selection in the next test series (as long as Warne is fit) , even if he takes 15 wickets.

On Lehmann, I still believe he will be picked for the next Test. And I still believe when he gets dropped for good, Katich will obviously be the replacement. Watson wont be a regular in the team for a long time , and MacGill will never be.

 

[con-artist]

ok......................

 

[MuffinMan]

Why Macgill? We got Warne Warne Warne!!

 

[RiCe_GrOwEr]

Katich should of got a start in front of Macgill................

Katich can bowl pretty well, while his batting speaks for itself.........

 

[Pace Setter]

Thought we finally got rid of Macdud once and for all last season Dropping Kasprowicz-that's a selection shocker. He's been doing well on slow wickets-which Sydney is. There's no reason to drop him.
Pakistan at over $9 on sportstab looks tempting...

 

[absolution*]

MacGill is a fucking gimpy slapper.

 

[angelduck]

Harsh is all i can say! y drop someone whos bowling extremely well???? And for that matter, if they are gonna drop a good bowler, why not replace him with Lee? He's been waitin to bowl for ages, always 12th man, he deserves a bowl!

 

[Pace Setter]

Not a lot of mention about the dead-rubber syndrome this time around. In the last few series you'd always have punting or waugh saying something along the lines of "we're going to treat this like any other match...there's a lot of motivation to win this," etc.

Maybe they've given up on winning dead rubbers? Because instead, they're trying new combinations-i.e potential successes for the ashes like Watson and Macdud. Frankly, the reason Punting gave for dropping kasper and boof was unacceptable. He said he wanted Macdud in to suit pitch/local conditions. That's self-contradictory, as it doesnt explain why watson was picked, nor why an extra paceman was NOT used for the bouncy perth pitch when the test series was still alive!

To sum it up, I reckon that was one of the most piss-poor attempts possible (from Punting) at covering up the trial of two players that may turn out to be useful against the poms next year (1.watson to negate flintoff... 2.macdud to bowl in tandem with warnie against the poms who can be suspect against spin bowling). Anyone could've seen through that rubbish.

 

[dark`secrets]

main reason for lee not making the team is the lack of experience he has due to injuries.

 

[Constip8edSkunk]

oh yeah, remember, they haven't dropped, they've "been left out of the side because of us trying to get the balance right for the team." lol

i think they only picked watson cuz they picked macgil, as they wanted some pace backup. ...and they would never replace kaspa with lee cuz kaspa has been performing as the 3rd paceman, and they'll only replace him by a spinner for 1 test. still a stupid move though... although macgil has been doing well this season so far, wasnt he hammered for 4-200 something last time round at the new years test on the scg...

 

[Pace Setter]

Macgill's played 5 tests at the SCG.

1. He started off well with 12/127 against the poms

2.then backs it up with a decent 7/192 against the Windies

3. and again with 7/174 against SA

4. but falls back to 5/226 against the poms last ashes

5. and even worse with 1/211 against the indians last year.

He's always been fairly decent at the Pura cup/sheffield shield, but he's been figured out by batsmen at the test level, even at the SCG-the ground that he "knows as well as the back of his hand" (quote from punter).

They didnt pick "the 2nd spinner" for the vital spin-friendly indian series, where Kasprowicz was a success story. Now that they've dropped him for a dead rubber either indicates that

a. They're heads were still foggy from NY's eve, or
b. They dont really mind losing this match

 

[max]

To sum it up, I reckon that was one of the most piss-poor attempts possible (from Punting) at covering up the trial of two players that may turn out to be useful against the poms next year (1.watson to negate flintoff... 2.macdud to bowl in tandem with warnie against the poms who can be suspect against spin bowling). Anyone could've seen through that rubbish.

So what did you expect him to say?

What would you have said?

 

[dawso]

I dont really get your argument.

You say its about time to change the team. Why do they need to change it? They were a real winning team and theres no point making changes for the sake of it.

asif m8 - just cause they kill every oppostion the world has 2 offer dont mean that they are the best team we can produce...lehman is a failure and should fuck off and never come bak, by your philosiphy they should never change the team and clarkey will still be playin for western suburbs...katich should come bak in and then its a hard decision, once older players are low on form they should go, no waitin 4 em 2 find form, just say goodbye, they hav had their chance

youth youth youth, the way 2 go otherwise we will turn into a bloody canadian style team with the oldest player being 52......

 

[Pace Setter]

So what did you expect him to say?

What would you have said?

Would've expected nothing less from Punter. For mine he's an: excellent batsmen, but stinker of a captain.

If I'm right about why they picked those two players, instead of the "team balance...local conditions" rubbish, he could've said outright that he wanted to experiment/find the right combinations for the more important, and probably more challenging Ashes tour.

 

[max]

Macgill's played 5 tests at the SCG.

1. He started off well with 12/127 against the poms

2.then backs it up with a decent 7/192 against the Windies

3. and again with 7/174 against SA

4. but falls back to 5/226 against the poms last ashes

5. and even worse with 1/211 against the indians last year.

He's always been fairly decent at the Pura cup/sheffield shield, but he's been figured out by batsmen at the test level, even at the SCG-the ground that he "knows as well as the back of his hand" (quote from punter).

They didnt pick "the 2nd spinner" for the vital spin-friendly indian series, where Kasprowicz was a success story. Now that they've dropped him for a dead rubber either indicates that

a. They're heads were still foggy from NY's eve, or
b. They dont really mind losing this match

Are you going to stand by that now, even after macgill takes 5-87?

Yep, maybe Watson isn't quite the shoe-in certainty for test cricket yet, but he isn't far off. Being 23, the more he gets used to playing at this level, the smoother the transition will be when the likes of the 34yo's retire all at once. I think the sacrifice is very much justified. In regards to Macgill, it was just a matter of horses for courses - it isn't likely that he will hold his place - Warne is too good. His 1-200 odd against India was against a very good batting lineup and, as Hohns said, the Paki's don't play leggies all that well.

 

[Pace Setter]

Regardless of how the two players do this match, doesnt justify dropping Kasper for the reasons they gave. Despite taking a 5-for, Macgill does not look any better than last year when he went for 1/211. He started off exceptionally poorly (worse than usual), going at around 7/over for no wicket. I dont think this'll get mentioned by anyone else, but during the period where he was picking up wickets, he fell back to the flaw that got him hammered by india, WI and SL. I.E. 4-5 decent balls in an over, with at least 1 boundary-ball in between. So I'd say his stats today can at least partly be attributed to rash Pakistani batting.

If we dismiss Pakistan cheaply in the 2nd innings, few will remember the potential bowling disaster that may have resulted when Pak were still 2 for 200 odd. A scenario that had less of a probability of occuring if they had picked a proven flat-track specialist-i.e kasper.

The "sacrifice" you talk about with Watson says something about how much the selectors cared about this match. The pura cup in my opinion provides more than adequate preparation for the international scene. It was, after all, created to mimic the kind of competition and experience that would eventually be met at the test level. Bringing younger players in for the sake of "a smooth transition," ridicules the role of the domestic system and would probably better be referred to as a myth created by the media rather than a legitimate strategy.

Bringing youngsters in for the sake of experience, not necessarily because they're good enough to be in the team is poor selection if you place great importance in winning the match. Of course, I've pointed out that the selectors probably do not care as much as they could, and have thus resorted to this "rebuilding" strategy. If a country has to bring in young players to the national team to cover for future retirements DURING important matches, then quite simply the domestic system is not good enough. I do not think that is the case here.

 

[choco]

feel sorry for brett he's been right up there..just waiting for so long...can you imagine his morale now that watson got ahead of him. he must have really pissed off the selectors somehow..
and oh btw the reason he has no expereince is that he hasn't been able to play any matches..being 12th man means you can't plan for nsw you just gotta carry drinks all the time..they should have let him play in domestic and then call him up for the test as a player..make katich 12th man or something.

 

[angelduck]

its so true, they r so screwin him ova! At least him bein 'dropped' means he can play at least one game

 

[max]

its so true, they r so screwin him ova! At least him bein 'dropped' means he can play at least one game

He'll play, sooner or later..
His massive contract and marketability will ensure that.
Then there's his pace...