Mac Vs window Os platforms (2 Viewers)

[HedgeMaster]

Yo, since im going to Uni soon. Im gunna be buying a laptop, i need some help, im conflicted between both OS's out at the moment (leopard and vista), this will determine, if i should get a beefy asus laptop, or a macbook pro (for graphics and such, so ill need lots of sweet RAM, and a decent processor). So this thread shall determine the all powerful question, Mac Vs Microsoft, lol. For the fate of a boys money, he he.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Get a mac and put XP on it.

 

[nubix]

Get an XP one and paint an Apple logo on it.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Can you even buy a computer with xp on it anymore? Don't they all come with vista?

 

[MaNiElla]

Yeah, nearly all of them come with Vista now.

 

[nubix]

Don't they all come with vista?

Nope, think the demand for XP is still greater than Vista :rofl:

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Nope, think the demand for XP is still greater than Vista :rofl:

No computer I have seen since vista has come out has had XP as an option.

 

[Evilo]

Get a mac and put XP on it.

Mac is embarrassing, get a real comp

Get an XP one and paint an Apple logo on it.

better.

 

[PaulM]

Get a Mac and dualboot Vista, i do a lot of programming already for Vista and mess about with it and i can't understand how people are disgusted at it. I guess its just the "oh Microsoft released another OS phase" anyway you also have the oppurtunity to test your programs if thats what your into on two operating system's

 

[The_highwayman]

fujitsu and toshiba still offer XP as well as vista iirc.

 

[nubix]

Get a Mac and dualboot Vista, i do a lot of programming already for Vista and mess about with it and i can't understand how people are disgusted at it. I guess its just the "oh Microsoft released another OS phase" anyway you also have the oppurtunity to test your programs if thats what your into on two operating system's

Personally, I think all the new uber graphics are a waste of resources; I was happy with 98SE... then all these new programs stopped supporting it. Guess I'll have to move to Vista at some point whether I like it or not.

Just my 2c

 

[PaulM]

Yea i tend to agree, but it can be setup to how you like it too and i am working on a sidebar they look great on your vista desktop

 

[iamsickofyear12]

I don't like the look of vista at all. The taskbar looks shit, the transparent windows look shit, the sidebar just takes up desktop space, the icons are crap. The visual style and custom icons I use for XP are 1000 times better.

 

[PaulM]

But there are some great theme packs available.

 

[HedgeMaster]

Ive been using vista recently, Visually its looks good, abit too glassy tho (lots of OS X rip offs). The problem I have with it is compatibility. Nothign really works with it. I do alot of vector graphics and a few of my progs dont work on it. Alos wen I play high intense graphics game, it buts wayyyy!! 2 much stress on the graphics card, as it has 2 virtualize the OS as well as run the game, it just takes a high end car/ lots of ram 2 just run basic shite. Im thinkin bout goin with "iamsickofyear12" although "nubix" makes a valid point as well lol. But on the concept of virtualising stuff. I think it would theoretically be even worst running xp on a mac pro running a high end game, as it has 2 virtualise through the mac and xp shite. Its sooo hard and confusing, all my friends suggest mac, but u guys suggest MS????
Software: -
MS vista pros:- User friendly, great inteface
MS vista cons: - Crap compatibility, lots of bugs, asked u for permission 4 everything, puts 2 much pressure on proc, ram, GC etc. and the list goes on.
OSX Pros: - Impressive animations, lost of free software, good for graphics etc.
OSX Cons: - Dont use it much, hard 2 naviagate round everything... not every much.
Leopard: -???
Hardware:
Mac cons: - Have 2 dedicate hard drive space for but OS's!!, its sux ass, non un gradeable
Ms cons: - Err not that much, pretty decent stuff, very upgradable!!
-thoughts??

 

[Excalibur_]

PaulM: error in string[] subject: ArrayOutOfBoundsException

Vista looks good and seems to be a whole lot more solid than XP was at similar post-release time. I mean, it's not perfect, but I'd give it some time to mature before judging it. I'm sure you remember everyone clutching onto Win98 when XP just came out. It was only after SP2 that things looked up.

I'm actually quite keen to get my hands on a Mac (just for the learning experience so that I can support them at work with more than just my Linux knowledge). I wonder if I can purchase the software and install it on any PC (for sake of argument, Intel-based platforms). I don't see any problems, aside from hardware compatibility issues.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

The only thing that would really stop you from choosing OS X would be games, at this stage.

....and maybe the learning curve. I know it is relatively easy for some people to pick up but I know plenty of people who just wouldn't get it... they'd have to give up and go back to windows.

 

[Excalibur_]

Unless you're writing in Java... you've got a bit of a road ahead of yourself teaching yourself C and learning the Obj-C frameworks if you're wanting to develop applications for the Mac OS. However, with the frameworks that OS X includes; wow developing applications is a pure joy.

Plan your app, design your contracts, code, test, done. The frameworks are brilliant, intuitive in their outputs and really well thought of.

Plus, Xcode is light years ahead of Visual Studio

Java somewhat hides that detail...doesn't let you use the lower-level languages as it abstracts them via the VM. Idiot-proof, if you will. Supposedly "write once, run anywhere". That means that any Java developer should be able to program on Mac OS X if they don't rely on OS-dependent syscalls/interrupts etc.

In Java, if I remember right, array[6] will create an array with elements [0, 5] (where as array[5] will create [0, 4]). The number is just the number of elements rather than a termination point.

Can you install OS X into non-Mac machines?

 

[AsyLum]

Stick with XP if you want to play games, or be prepared to build a better system just to match the performance you could get with a cheaper one.

 

[Excalibur_]

Swing looks like an arsehole on OS X, you can use the OS X Widget Set; You do have to use Xcode though.

God I hate Swing so much.

I haven't used Swing personally, but looking at it briefly it doesn't look too bad (it isn't OS dependent as far as I can determine). That said, Swing in itself looks "clumsy".

Oh right, on, so you have a \0 in the final field then?

Not very sure...it's definitely a usable field though. I'm fairly sure that all fields are automatically populated with either NULL (object arrays - incl. Strings as they are treated as an object in Java) or 0 (int arrays).