Scared i wont be first (1 Viewer)

[jane1820]

Im scared i wont be first at my 400-something school n will get affected by scaling

im currently enrolled in two schools one is my ‘current’ school n another which is top 200 (was top 120 but dropped) n i have 2 weeks before i finalise if im 100% moving or not

everyone tells me to ‘just sweat it n grind’ but idk i might not be allat in terms of academics (as in nothing below B- but in terms of ranks nope)

pros of moving: not affected by scaling
cons of moving: far (~1hr in total) n no friends (idk anyone there)

pros of staying: friends (but i moved in 2024 so i dont have a lot of friends either) n close (~40min in total)
cons of moving: scaling

Note: what i mean by enrolled in two schools as in i never signed out of my current school when i accepted my offer at the other school bc (until now) im not sure what im gonna do

my parents say do what u want - they prefer me not to move but they drc
my friends some say to move while others say not to

 

[jane1820]

Also i forgot in terms of subjects:

my current school: 3 sciences, 3u math, 2u math, eng adv, eco
other school: chem, bio, 3u math, 2u math, eng adv, geo, business

so i do high scaling subjects at my current school which is a pro (ig)

 

[Study to success]

I think friends and travel shouldn’t be problem with ur new school as it isn’t that much of a difference between ur current school. But the other reasons should be up to u and whether or not you are willing to put in the effort to catch up in your new school or to rank first in ur old school. But imo catching up in ur new school will be hard work but may be worth it if u don’t think ur going to rank first in ur current school

 

[Average Boreduser]

Im scared i wont be first at my 400-something school n will get affected by scaling

im currently enrolled in two schools one is my ‘current’ school n another which is top 200 (was top 120 but dropped) n i have 2 weeks before i finalise if im 100% moving or not

everyone tells me to ‘just sweat it n grind’ but idk i might not be allat in terms of academics (as in nothing below B- but in terms of ranks nope)

pros of moving: not affected by scaling
cons of moving: far (~1hr in total) n no friends (idk anyone there)

pros of staying: friends (but i moved in 2024 so i dont have a lot of friends either) n close (~40min in total)
cons of moving: scaling

Note: what i mean by enrolled in two schools as in i never signed out of my current school when i accepted my offer at the other school bc (until now) im not sure what im gonna do

my parents say do what u want - they prefer me not to move but they drc
my friends some say to move while others say not to

1. dont move. 2. thats not what scaling is.

 

[Average Boreduser]

as someone who had to travel nearly 2 times as much I guarantee you youll be depressed as the weeks go on and it will affect your concentration if you arent 100% use to traveling allot.

 

[jane1820]

1. dont move. 2. thats not what scaling is.

no i mean get pulled down bc of the class

 

[rh_06]

First of all, dw abt scaling. In fact, forget abt it. All u need to focus on is getting good marks. Scaling and ranks n allat stuff dont weigh as much as the marks themselves. Take it from a person who was ranked near the 50th percentile in the cohort for Studies of Religion 1 (a notably poor scaling subject) yet still got a band 6 and 90+ atar. Don't stress abt scaling n allat- no point.

 

[pl4smaa21]

no i mean get pulled down bc of the class

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that's not how 'scaling' works it's not like if hypothetically a student is ranked 2nd and gets 87 on external and let's say every other student gets 30% [extreme ik] and 1st place gets 92 it's not like you're assessment mark will all of a sudden become 30 just cuz you aint first. I remember reading something that in the complex maths that NESA does to allocate assessment marks they DO take a look at gaps between ranks to identify outliers so if you are far away from the 'bad' cohort the effects will be minimised. Moral of the story if u do good you'll get good : )

I got this from here (https://www.nsw.gov.au/education-an...ol assessment marks,of the group's exam marks.) the very last section

Although this is just my weak understanding you're better off asking someone with more experience

 

[pl4smaa21]

First of all, dw abt scaling. In fact, forget abt it. All u need to focus on is getting good marks. Scaling and ranks n allat stuff dont weigh as much as the marks themselves. Take it from a person who was ranked near the 50th percentile in the cohort for Studies of Religion 1 (a notably poor scaling subject) yet still got a band 6 and 90+ atar. Don't stress abt scaling n allat- no point.

hey rh man can you verify if what I'm saying is accurate bro plz idrk

 

[rh_06]

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that's not how 'scaling' works it's not like if hypothetically a student is ranked 2nd and gets 87 on external and let's say every other student gets 30% [extreme ik] and 1st place gets 92 it's not like you're assessment mark will all of a sudden become 30 just cuz you aint first. I remember reading something that in the complex maths that NESA does to allocate assessment marks they DO take a look at gaps between ranks to identify outliers so if you are far away from the 'bad' cohort the effects will be minimised. Moral of the story if u do good you'll get good : )

I got this from here (https://www.nsw.gov.au/education-and-training/nesa/hsc/exams-and-marking/assessment-moderation#:~:text=Moderation adjusts school assessment marks,of the group's exam marks.) the very last section

Although this is just my weak understanding you're better off asking someone with more experience

ye bro u pre much summed it up nicely. There is some limit to how your individual mark varies/gets influenced by peers but ultimately, u get what u work for. NESA does some weird black magic stuff with the marks so I doubt anyone 100% understands it lmao.

 

[jane1820]

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that's not how 'scaling' works it's not like if hypothetically a student is ranked 2nd and gets 87 on external and let's say every other student gets 30% [extreme ik] and 1st place gets 92 it's not like you're assessment mark will all of a sudden become 30 just cuz you aint first. I remember reading something that in the complex maths that NESA does to allocate assessment marks they DO take a look at gaps between ranks to identify outliers so if you are far away from the 'bad' cohort the effects will be minimised. Moral of the story if u do good you'll get good : )

I got this from here (https://www.nsw.gov.au/education-and-training/nesa/hsc/exams-and-marking/assessment-moderation#:~:text=Moderation adjusts school assessment marks,of the group's exam marks.) the very last section

Although this is just my weak understanding you're better off asking someone with more experience

Ok what if im ranked 6th out of 20 (hypothetically)
n the first gets 93, second gets 86, third gets 84 (externally)
n i got 73 yh

wont i get dragged down? Bc if i sixth getting 73 that means everyone else got way below

 

[pl4smaa21]

Ok what if im ranked 6th out of 20 (hypothetically)
n the first gets 93, second gets 86, third gets 84 (externally)
n i got 73 yh

wont i get dragged down? Bc if i sixth getting 73 that means everyone else got way below

it depends but usually in HSC exams the majority of external results in hsc subjects are between 70-80 so I wouldn't assume that everyone gets waaayyy below to in some form of exponential decay [7th gets 60 8th gets 42 9th gets 15 10th gets 2 and so on] more so what would happen is that everyone would be more compactly situated in the 70s so you're external would be 73 and your assessment would be in the 70s as well. If we are to conform to statistics.

so if we average it out ur final hsc mark would be in the 70s most likely just like ur external

then again don't take my word for this is just what felt to be logical in my mind

 

[rh_06]

it depends but usually in HSC exams the majority of external results in hsc subjects are between 70-80 so I wouldn't assume that everyone gets waaayyy below to in some form of exponential decay [7th gets 60 8th gets 42 9th gets 15 10th gets 2 and so on] more so what would happen is that everyone would be more compactly situated in the 70s so you're external would be 73 and your assessment would be in the 70s as well. If we are to conform to statistics.

so if we average it out ur final hsc mark would be in the 70s most likely just like ur external

then again don't take my word for this is just what felt to be logical in my mind

To add, you cant 'fail' in the HSC exam - you can't get a mark below 50 or something as NESA will then realign it based on the bell curve. e.g. if you get dead last, you'll be at the lower end of that bell curve.

(This is to op) U should fr stop stressing abt scaling. Js focus on using the remaining holiday time effectively to get good results.

 

[iloveeggs]

@jane1820 do you need to make 20 different threads on the same topic? just keep messaging in the same thread and ppl who previously posted will get notifs and reply. i dont get why you need to spam

if you can't rank well at your own school, it won't help to purely move schools, but you have to move and then meet the higher standards they set for their work etc. and then rank well in a high performing cohort. so it's an uphill struggle. so if you are not "allat in terms of academics" don't move, it doesnt guarantee you a better atar unless you actually put in the work and stp complaing abt how you're not allat

i go to a top 50 school (higher than that but for anonymity purposes) and our average atar fluctuates around 90-93 on average. just because we have a better rank doesnt mean ppl can move to our school and automatically drop a 95+ atar bc like 65% of kids usually don't get that. i quite literally need to hit top 20 for physics to even get a band 6 (90 hsc mark) in a top 50 school. bc it's a harder subjects there will be less band 6s so you still have to rank high, i can't be average and manage a band 6.

so you can imagine what the stats are like for a rank 200 school. so depending on the subject you have to hit a rank 5-10 even in lower ranking subjects to hit a 95+ atar. so going there only theoretically improves your chances of getting a good atar but unless you rank well in that school as well you won't get that atar.

rank 5-15 in 200 ranked school and rank 1-5 in a 400 ranked school. you decide. your new school sounds like more work, time (travel wise and what not) and effort to me.

so moving won't help you do better via scaling or whatever. sorry to disappoint you. moving from a lower ranking school to a higher ranking one sometimes makes kids completetely flop. the travel time would probably also take you crash out, you're proably better off staying and trying your best. even if youre not rank 1 try and hit rank 5 or whatever.

in general, the more you complain abt not being able to get a good rank or whatever, the less likely you are to get a good rank. ppl that fail year 11 or do horrible in one of their year 12 exams go on to succeed and get 95+ atars and you're out here having just finished y10 already believing you're gonna do mid in y12. you'll be right if you dont do smth to fix it