Transferring to UNSW / USYD law and commerce (1 Viewer)

[Barrister1]

Hey guys, I'm looking for some quick advice. I am in my first year of law and commerce at macq uni and want to transfer to unsw or usyd for law and commerce. Because this is an external transfer, I believe I was told that 50% of my atar and 50% of my GPA is taken from first year to give me a selection rank in addition to my LAT mark (in the case of unsw). Although for usyd I have no idea. I'm not sure if this is correct so if anyone has successfully transferred or knows the reasoning behind how this process works could they explain it please. My atar isn't high enough to get law on its own (got 89) and my gpa is likely to be 6 out of 7. I really want to transfer but im not sure how likely it is as I heard it is quite tough.

So, could someone please explain the selection process of these unis and advise me at which I have a better chance of getting into.

 

[Barrister1]

Hey guys, I'm looking for some quick advice. I am in my first year of law and commerce at macq uni and want to transfer to unsw or usyd for law and commerce. Because this is an external transfer, I believe I was told that 50% of my atar and 50% of my GPA is taken from first year to give me a selection rank in addition to my LAT mark (in the case of unsw). Although for usyd I have no idea. I'm not sure if this is correct so if anyone has successfully transferred or knows the reasoning behind how this process works could they explain it please. My atar isn't high enough to get law on its own (got 89) and my gpa is likely to be 6 out of 7. I really want to transfer but im not sure how likely it is as I heard it is quite tough.

So, could someone please explain the selection process of these unis and advise me at which I have a better chance of getting into.

 

[jimmysmith560]

You should have a decent chance of receiving an offer to UNSW's Bachelor of Commerce/Bachelor of Laws. The difference between your ATAR and that of other students who received offers does not appear to be too significant. In addition to this, your GPA is favourable, since a GPA of 6 means that you are on a distinction average, which is likely to be looked upon favourably.

In the case of USyd, assuming that by the time you transfer, you have successfully completed one year of full-time study, your university results can be used to assess your application instead of your ATAR. USyd states that your application will be considered based on your ATAR or university results, whichever gives the higher chance of receiving an offer, in addition to the fact that your university results (in your case, your results at MQ) will only be considered if you have completed at least one year of full-time study. Based on this, it is likely that your GPA will be used to assess your application to USyd as opposed to your ATAR. As far as I am aware, a GPA of 6 translates to a 98 ATAR, and this also means that your performance throughout your first year at MQ has been of a high standard, which makes sense.

I hope this helps!

 

[Barrister1]

You should have a decent chance of receiving an offer to UNSW's Bachelor of Commerce/Bachelor of Laws. The difference between your ATAR and that of other students who received offers does not appear to be too significant. In addition to this, your GPA is favourable, since a GPA of 6 means that you are on a distinction average, which is likely to be looked upon favourably.

In the case of USyd, assuming that by the time you transfer, you have successfully completed one year of full-time study, your university results can be used to assess your application instead of your ATAR. USyd states that your application will be considered based on your ATAR or university results, whichever gives the higher chance of receiving an offer, in addition to the fact that your university results (in your case, your results at MQ) will only be considered if you have completed at least one year of full-time study. Based on this, it is likely that your GPA will be used to assess your application to USyd as opposed to your ATAR. As far as I am aware, a GPA of 6 translates to a 98 ATAR, and this also means that your performance throughout your first year at MQ has been of a high standard, which makes sense.

I hope this helps!

Thank you so much, I really appreciate your help, you cleared it out a lot for me. I had just another follow up question relating to this - there is an option on UAC to add work experience and I worked as a book keeper at a law firm for some time so do you think this will give me any edge or help in some way?

 

[jimmysmith560]

Thank you so much, I really appreciate your help, you cleared it out a lot for me. I had just another follow up question relating to this - there is an option on UAC to add work experience and I worked as a book keeper at a law firm for some time so do you think this will give me any edge or help in some way?

No worries! Emphasis is usually placed on work experience in the event that an applicant is using it as the basis for entry into an undergraduate degree (for example, if they do not meet the academic admission criteria) as well as in the case of applications for postgraduate degrees, where a specified minimum of work experience (such as a minimum of three years) may be one of a number of requirements for admission.

In your case, while both universities will prioritise your academic results in assessing your application to transfer, including your work experience in your UAC application is not a bad idea. A potential benefit of this is that it could be perceived as evidence of your interest in studying a Bachelor of Commerce/Bachelor of Laws and more importantly, your passion for law in particular.

 

[Barrister1]

No worries! Emphasis is usually placed on work experience in the event that an applicant is using it as the basis for entry into an undergraduate degree (for example, if they do not meet the academic admission criteria) as well as in the case of applications for postgraduate degrees, where a specified minimum of work experience (such as a minimum of three years) may be one of a number of requirements for admission.

In your case, while both universities will prioritise your academic results in assessing your application to transfer, including your work experience in your UAC application is not a bad idea. A potential benefit of this is that it could be perceived as evidence of your interest in studying a Bachelor of Commerce/Bachelor of Laws and more importantly, your passion for law in particular.

right that makes sense but are u sure that a 6/7 gpa converts to 98 atar? Because from what I was told, a 7/7 gpa is 98 atar.I believe 6 was around 95 and that would put my final atar avg at 92 - which is kinda unlikely for entry in unsw?

 

[jimmysmith560]

right that makes sense but are u sure that a 6/7 gpa converts to 98 atar? Because from what I was told, a 7/7 gpa is 98 atar.I believe 6 was around 95 and that would put my final atar avg at 92 - which is kinda unlikely for entry in unsw?

I refer to this document from the University of Queensland, which establishes a comparison between its own, slightly more generous, GPA to selection rank conversion, and that of all other institutions:

https://study.uq.edu.au/sites/default/files/2020-03/tertiary-studies-selection-rank-info-sheet.pdf

The table mentioned can be found on page 2.

If you were specifically told by UNSW that a GPA of 6 translates to a 95 ATAR, then this is the conversion that will apply. If this is the case, you may still be able to receive an offer with a 92 average ATAR, provided that your LAT result is sufficiently high.

 

[Barrister1]

I refer to this document from the University of Queensland, which establishes a comparison between its own, slightly more generous, GPA to selection rank conversion, and that of all other institutions:

The table mentioned can be found on page 2.

If you were specifically told by UNSW that a GPA of 6 translates to a 95 ATAR, then this is the conversion that will apply. If this is the case, you may still be able to receive an offer with a 92 average ATAR, provided that your LAT result is sufficiently high.

right that makes sense, ty so much. I really appreciate it

 

[jimmysmith560]

I dropped out of uni and now I want to go back to study law/ commerce

I've already received offers from non-Go8 unis, but I really want to apply for either USYD or UNSW.
I just have some questions:

- How does studying Law differ between USYD and UNSW? Is one uni known for a specialisation over another?
I heard that USYD's law is much more highly regarded, but Business at UNSW is better. And UNSW has more students who come out as entrepreneurs. (I'd like to study business as well)

- Should I do external or internal transfers?

- How does study abroad work with Law and Commerce? How many times can you go?

My ATAR was only not high enough for direct entry for USYD Law.

Thanks!

As far as I am aware, USyd and UNSW both have well-established and highly regarded law schools and programs. On this basis alone, you cannot go wrong with studying a Bachelor of Laws at either university.

Entrepreneurship is not dependent on the university that a student attends. In fact, entrepreneurship does not even require a degree. Of course, this is not to suggest that a business degree cannot assist an entrepreneur. I took an entrepreneurship subject in my final semester which I found to be difficult, yet enlightening. Entrepreneurship also differs from standard business practice, the latter being where a business degree becomes desirable in order for students to gain the knowledge and skills relevant to the field(s) that they intend to study (for instance, in the event that a student wishes to work in finance).

Similar to their Bachelor of Laws, I doubt that there is much difference in terms of quality between USyd's Bachelor of Commerce and UNSW's Bachelor of Commerce. With that being said, it would be a good idea to look into the specific area(s) that you wish to specialise in so that you can determine whether you would be better off studying a Bachelor of Commerce at either USyd or UNSW. As someone who studied human resource management, my understanding is that, should HRM be an option for you, it is probably better to study it at UNSW than it is at USyd, given the former's more significant emphasis on its practical aspects when compared to the latter.

In terms of transferring, while your ultimate aim is to study a Bachelor of Commerce/Bachelor of Laws at either USyd or UNSW, it is better to be studying a Bachelor of Business/Commerce/Bachelor of Laws at a different university than it is to study a completely different degree that would not match your interests at USyd or UNSW. Additionally, there is the aspect of relevance (such as for things like recognition of prior learning), which is a factor that you should consider if you wish to make a more informed decision.

I hope this helps!

 

[mmmmmmmmaaaaaaa]

I dropped out of uni and now I want to go back to study law/ commerce

I've already received offers from non-Go8 unis, but I really want to apply for either USYD or UNSW.
I just have some questions:

- How does studying Law differ between USYD and UNSW? Is one uni known for a specialisation over another?
I heard that USYD's law is much more highly regarded, but Business at UNSW is better. And UNSW has more students who come out as entrepreneurs. (I'd like to study business as well)

- Should I do external or internal transfers?

- How does study abroad work with Law and Commerce? How many times can you go?

My ATAR was only not high enough for direct entry for USYD Law.

Thanks!

UNSW was ranked higher than USYD in law, not sure about commerce specifically but I know it's ranked very high in some sectors of the business field