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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    I as a parent, have the responsibility of deciding which HS best suits my child's needs. And I do not want to limit the number of choices to just HS in Sydney.
    No one is limiting your choice though, you can send them anywhere you want which best suits your child's needs :S Send them to Shanghai by all means
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLIT2014 View Post
    PISA has been criticised even in places like Finland which have done really well at it..
    https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6344672

    Plus the countries which have done really well at it tend to have an extremely homogeneous culture.

    PISA only tests Shanghai which is rich district so I question the validity of it...

    Nothing wrong with rote learning imo..
    There is no other way to effectively learn than rote learning
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLIT2014 View Post
    PISA has been criticised even in places like Finland which have done really well at it..
    https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6344672

    Plus the countries which have done really well at it tend to have an extremely Confucius culture.
    Corrected, there are many homogeneous nations that ranked badly

    Quote Originally Posted by BLIT2014 View Post

    PISA only tests Shanghai which is rich district so I question the validity of it...
    Yet, shanghai has lower GDP per capita than Western and Asians nations it out performed. Look at Qatar, bloody rich and also bloody stupid.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    Yet, shanghai has lower GDP per capita than Western and Asians nations it out performed. Look at Qatar, bloody rich and also bloody stupid.
    You forgot to mention that figure is skewed by Shanghai's immense social gradient.

    Also racism has no place here, please don't use it.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    Corrected, there are many homogeneous nations that ranked badly



    Yet, shanghai has lower GDP per capita than Western and Asians nations it out performed. Look at Qatar, bloody rich and also bloody stupid.
    And also doesn't the hukuo system mean some of the immigrants have to send their kids to other provinces to get educated?
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by youngsky View Post
    You forgot to mention that figure is skewed by Shanghai's immense social gradient.

    Also racism has no place here, please don't use it.
    You may want to check how PISA test is conducted, they don't just take the scores of the high class citizens, they take the whole population, so the score is like an average of the testing location. So social gradient, whatever that means, is meaningless.

    Qatar is not a race, it's a state. And it's not racism when it's a fact. High GDP per capita and low PISA, if it's not for oil then I would like an non racist explanation, thanks.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Confound View Post
    There is no other way to effectively learn than rote learning
    I'm in favour of rote learning in certain subjects but your assumption is questionable.

    It's definitely ineffective in other areas.

    Try it in HSC Extension 2 Mathematics?

    Try it in a Law degree?

    Then tell me if there's no other effective ways?
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by RivalryofTroll View Post
    I'm in favour of rote learning in certain subjects but your assumption is questionable.

    It's definitely ineffective in other areas.

    Try it in HSC Extension 2 Mathematics?

    Try it in a Law degree?

    Then tell me if there's no other effective ways?
    What other ways are there other than rote memorisation on standard subjects?? Do you go into a maths exam and try to be creative and smartass your way to 100%? I don't get it?

    Everyone who did HSC used rote memorisation, it's not creative writing.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    What other ways are there other than rote memorisation on standard subjects?? Do you go into a maths exam and try to be creative and smartass your way to 100%? I don't get it?

    Everyone who did HSC used rote memorisation, it's not creative writing.
    No.

    That's a big generalisation you're making; you're just discounting the people who do well in the HSC via understanding (or do both). It's highly ignorant to think that everyone studies via pure memorisation. Yes, you do need to be able to remember your content, but you can't just vomit out what you know - you need to adapt that information you have that will satisfy the marker. The HSC is not about regurgitation, it's about responding to the given demands of the exam in a coherent manner.

    (anyhow, this is going off topic )
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    Qatar is not a race, it's a state. And it's not racism when it's a fact.
    That doesn't take away from the fact that you called them "bloody stupid", nor was the added comment called for.

    Seems like the purpose of this thread was to sing praises of chinese education.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    I as a parent, have the responsibility of deciding which HS best suits my child's needs. And I do not want to limit the number of choices to just HS in Sydney.
    Right, so what about other things like your child's social well-being? Mental welfare? Stability? Friends? Social life? This is assuming your child even is capable in areas you deem worthy of study. What if your child is creative and literature focused? What if they don't like mathematics? What if they don't want to study in China?

    You are very linearly focused, a sort of tunnel vision where you don't even know there's more to early HS than the education a student receives. If an Australian HS student is capable of doing well in Australian universities then what's your endgame?

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by youngsky View Post
    That doesn't take away from the fact that you called them "bloody stupid", nor was the added comment called for.

    Seems like the purpose of this thread was to sing praises of chinese education.
    Either their children are really stupid, or their government just don't care about education, because there is no other explanation for a country with $104,000 gdp per capita to performance so badly academically, they are just slightly better than Peru.

    I think the latter is a more probable explanation, because the country is sitting on a pile of oil, there is no incentive to be productive.

    Nothing wrong with praising and criticizing a country's education system, this is forum is for right?

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by D94 View Post

    You are very linearly focused, a sort of tunnel vision where you don't even know there's more to early HS than the education a student receives. If an Australian HS student is capable of doing well in Australian universities then what's your endgame?
    That pretty much sums up what I'm thinking - I mean, what is the point? Having been through school and then uni, it really isn't worth going to all that trouble for education. I'm not saying that it is unimportant, but your HSC/Uni results aren't make or break like it is in China. Even if your kids wanted to do Medicine, you would be better of keeping them here and working hard at it. Your plan just sounds like a whole lot of effort for a minimal or marginal gain - it all seems so unnecessary.
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    What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    Either their children are really stupid, or their government just don't care about education, because there is no other explanation for a country with $104,000 gdp per capita to performance so badly academically, they are just slightly better than Peru.

    I think the latter is a more probable explanation, because the country is sitting on a pile of oil, there is no incentive to be productive.

    Nothing wrong with praising and criticizing a country's education system, this is forum is for right?
    You are looking at this too simplistically....

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    The school itself is nothing special.
    It is however, the competitive nature, motivated mindset and natural aptitude of these students that make the school 'special'.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    You may want to check how PISA test is conducted, they don't just take the scores of the high class citizens, they take the whole population, so the score is like an average of the testing location. So social gradient, whatever that means, is meaningless.

    Qatar is not a race, it's a state. And it's not racism when it's a fact. High GDP per capita and low PISA, if it's not for oil then I would like an non racist explanation, thanks.
    You do realize Shanghai is extremely selective of who enters their public schools. There are exams and residency requirements to enter schools locally. If you don't have a shanghai huko (hint: 99% of shanghai's poor doesnt) don't get to send your kids there.

    Qatar has a high gdp per capita because of oil. I thought surely someone as "educated" as you would know about that. why do you even care how well qatar is doing.

    Why do you plan on sending your kids overseas by themselves? It's one of the worst idea especially when we have such a good education system in aus. If you think private school is expensive here, have fun looking at costs for international students overseas. If you want your kids to have an "easy access" to aussie uni's, send them to an american high school where it's so skewed towards the SAT's its so easy for americans to get into aussie unis. High school grades don't count at all and you only need SAT 1 scores (i know this because i was a product of international schools).

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    That's why I stressed university affiliated school, experimental schools and international schools or schools with international divisions. These schools usually have the option not doing Gaokao, instead using IB, SAT etc, the students in these type of schools get into Harvard, Stanford etc.
    http://www.aussierelocation.com/subc...onal%20Schools

    There are international schools in sydney. Big hint: YOU NEED AN OVERSEAS PASSPORT TO ATTEND ONE. We don't have many because we already have a western education system suitable for expats. We already have schools that have IB programs, also anyone can take the SAT. If a chinese student doesn't take a gaokao and haven't been in an IB system (as a local citizen) they would not be eligible for entering university in australia. There are VERY specific requirements from SPECIFIC country-based degrees.

    You do realize those "experimental schools" are pretty much western style teaching right?

    The students taht enter the experimental schools are EXTREMELY talented and from SPECIFIC backgrounds. One's in Taiwan your parents either had to be 1. A high level engineer/scientist at the tech park or 2. Professor at the local uni's. Not exactly letting anyone enter.

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Just going to homeschool them.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    James Ruse is full of academically talented or hardworking students providing a competitive environment for personal improvement. It also has a higher scaling when it comes to internal marks which is attractive for most students.

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    I don't understand your intention of this thread. You have asked a question and then you are making a statement. Why are you comparing JR with Chinese schools?
    You are making assumptions without the facts. Just to keep this simple. If you or your child get an offer from JR it is worth discussing otherwise it is futile.
    As far as the IQ of JR students, read the link.

    http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/...-1111118591422

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Scaling for HSC is good because they are smart. If someone gets an offer they should seriously consider taking it.

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop21 View Post
    I wish I went to my local selective school. Too dumb to get in the first time (who knows anything in year 6), but definitely could have gotten in year 10. Oh well.

    What's special about selectives is smart people tend to flock to them and you have a school filled with high achievers, or at least higher achieving than your average student at a public school.

    I would guess most kids their have bigger dreams than your average public school kid, teachers actually care about teaching well, and don't forget about the kids struggling (or maybe not, I have no idea, heard this is true for private schools).

    Public schools are filled with kids who don't care, majority are not high achievers and maybe only the top 15% of the whole school is. You know what's weird, I heard one teacher say "I never wanna teach the top class, they're too smart, too much pressure". Wtf?

    Aim for a selective school.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerdasdasd View Post
    Solid generalisation there.

    Not even gonna bother writing up a long response
    Nevertheless - a pretty accurate generalization.

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    What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by braintic View Post
    Nevertheless - a pretty accurate generalization.
    Hardly.

    Given the distribution of ATAR's and range of school ranks, it would be inappropriate to apply that sort of generalisation to every school from the range of say (100 to 500) that isn't a selective school.

    That sort of generalisation may apply to say the bottom 20% or 30%, but it isn't still "pretty accurate".
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Its pretty accurate
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