Some are born gay, some achieve gayness, and some have gayness thrust upon them (6 Viewers)

[Kwayera]

your point is...?

My point is biological factors determining hetero/homosexuality != biological factors determining pedophilia.

That's like conflating the genes that cause red hair (to use an example I've given before) to gene mutations that cause, say, social anxiety disorder.

 

[Iheartgays]

My point is biological factors determining hetero/homosexuality != biological factors determining pedophilia.

That's like conflating the genes that cause red hair (to use an example I've given before) to gene mutations that cause, say, social anxiety disorder.

I thuoght the latter was caused by the former.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Even if they are both gene mutations, mutations can be beneficial or harmful. I still fail to see how homosexuality is harmful in the same way as pedophilia.

 

[Iheartgays]

Even if they are both gene mutations, mutations can be beneficial or harmful. I still fail to see how homosexuality is harmful in the same way as pedophilia.

I think I'd be more scarred by having a dick forced into my anus than by having sex with a 15 YO girl (which btw I have had). Sorry if it's a bit vulgar, but it proves the point.

 

[epic man]

Even if they are both gene mutations, mutations can be beneficial or harmful. I still fail to see how homosexuality is harmful in the same way as pedophilia.

Just because someone is a pedophile doesnt mean they are harmful. I'm sure there are peaceful pedophiles out there who have never touched children. Saying pedophiles are more dangerous than anyone else is like saying all homozexuals have aids.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Um...no it doesn't.

Profile: female.
You having sex with a 15 yo girl = gay sex.

So you're actually comparing two scenarios of same-sex activity.

 

[Kwayera]

Even if they are both gene mutations, mutations can be beneficial or harmful. I still fail to see how homosexuality is harmful in the same way as pedophilia.

It isn't. That's the point. Being homosexual is like having red hair. Being a pedophiliac is like being skitsophrenic.

Different kinds of gene mutations.

 

[SnowFox]

Kway, he doesnt listen, he posts the most random stuff sometimes.

 

[Iheartgays]

Um...no it doesn't.

Profile: female.
You having sex with a 15 yo girl = gay sex.

So you're actually comparing two scenarios of same-sex activity.

Except I'm not female..... And females have no penis, so how do they have sex? I'm asking you because you seem to be the resident expert on the matter.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

It isn't. That's the point. Being homosexual is like having red hair. Being a pedophiliac is like being skitsophrenic.

Yeah. I agree with you. Why are you arguing against me?

 

[John McCain]

Pedophilia is a psychological disorder (and largely environment/nurture-related)

That's the opposite of what it says in the wiki link you cited on pedophillia.

"More recent prospective longitudinal research... has demonstrated that the cycle of violence theory is not an adequate explanation for why people molest children"

While the role of genetics vs. environment is heavily debated and far from certain (in regards to all aspects of orientation), that article concludes "They indicated that, because they previously found mothers of pedophiles to be more likely to have undergone psychiatric treatment,[37] the genetic possibility is more likely".

The distinction between pedophilia as a disorder and homosexuality as not, is purely political and based on value judgements of normality, and how easily these people are respectively able to live in society.

Which is a fair way to classify a disorder, based on outcomes rather than causes.

 

[Kwayera]

That's the opposite of what it says in the wiki link you cited on pedophillia.

"More recent prospective longitudinal research... has demonstrated that the cycle of violence theory is not an adequate explanation for why people molest children"

While the role of genetics vs. environment is heavily debated and far from certain (in regards to all aspects of orientation), that article concludes "They indicated that, because they previously found mothers of pedophiles to be more likely to have undergone psychiatric treatment,[37] the genetic possibility is more likely".

The distinction between pedophilia as a disorder and homosexuality as not, is purely political and based on value judgements of normality, and how easily these people are respectively able to live in society.

Which is a fair way to classify a disorder, based on outcomes rather than causes.

I wasn't suggesting the cycle-of-violence theory. I also wasn't discounting the fact that mental disorders are heritable, which clearly, they are.

 

[Kwayera]

Yeah. I agree with you. Why are you arguing against me?

I wasn't. I was reiterating your point

 

[John McCain]

I wasn't suggesting the cycle-of-violence theory. I also wasn't discounting the fact that mental disorders are heritable, which clearly, they are.

So you'll agree that the only substantial difference between homosexuality and pedophilia is that society condemns one and accepts the other? That the classification is based on a value judgement?

 

[epic man]

everybody has ignored my argument

 

[HumanDichotomy]

I wasn't. I was reiterating your point

Ah. Okay. Sorry.

 

[Iheartgays]

Ah. Okay. Sorry.

Apology accepted.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

So you'll agree that the only substantial difference between homosexuality and pedophilia is that society condemns one and accepts the other.

Well, from an ethical perspective, it can be argued that pedophilia is harmful to innocents and homosexuality is not.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Apology accepted.

Not you.

 

[Iheartgays]

Well, from an ethical perspective, it can be argued that pedophilia is harmful to innocents and homosexuality is not.

I've met 15 year olds who are ten times more mature and uninnocent than 16 year olds. And homosexuality causes Aids. How can you possibly say that pedophilia is more harmful than homosexuality?