4unit and engineering (2 Viewers)

[M@ster P]

Hi I'm just wondering what topics in 4unit are related to civil engineering? like complex numbers, not sure about the rest, so can someone just make a simple list, cheers.

I just wanna know so I can brush on those before topics before I go to uni, and not be there and look at the work and be all shocked.

Thanks


p.s. btw I know its only been 2 days after hsc, but yeah im gonna get bored cause theres 4 months between now and uni and yes I do have a social life, although I'm not gonna party every day until now till uni starts.

 

[Cookie182]

I actually would suggest partying everyday, but thats just me.

Post-HSC summer is the best its gonna be in a good while...

- To the question, I think if you have a strong grasp of all areas of the 3unit course, perhaps with the 'harder applications" from 4u you should be fine in 1st yr eng (many are going in with a 2unit background). Its the core skills of calculus you just want to keep sharp, plus your trig knowledge and basics like logs/exponentials.

I know that complex numbers are also studied 1st year so it couldn't hurt.

Beyond that I'm not sure, I'm also not an engineering student.

 

[witide]

I didn't do 4unit at school, but for first year maths we did a lot of calculus, complex numbers and linear algebra. Take a look at the website for the university you intend to study at, and check what maths subjects they do. There should be an outline of the topics covered. For engineering, you'll probably have to do either advanced maths or the level below it.

USYD: Mathematics and Statistics Teaching Program - University of Sydney
UNSW: School of Mathematics and Statistics - First Year

 

[addikaye03]

Do:

-Complex numbers (easy topic to learn by yourself)
-Integration (probably easiest topic to learn by yourself)
-Volumes (slicing, cylindrical shells and similar triangle Q)
-Mechanics (don't be daunted, it's not that hard to self learn)
-Alot of stuff in 'polynomials' compliments complex numbers and integration. If you get time maybe look at this one too.

If, you complete all that i suppose you could look up matrices.

 

[M@ster P]

yeah thanks guys appreciate it,

I'll do the easier ones like complex numbers and integration


addikaye i noticed in your sig, that you took the whole year off to do 4unit? - why did you do that

 

[addikaye03]

yeah thanks guys appreciate it,

I'll do the easier ones like complex numbers and integration


addikaye i noticed in your sig, that you took the whole year off to do 4unit? - why did you do that

Well i was in a similar postion to you, i finished the HSC in 2008, deferred my position for a year, main reason was to work. I decided, i might aswell teach myself Mx2 to keep me active during the year i have off (so i don't forget everything). Sat the Mx2 exam this year.

That's how i knew if it was easy or hard to teach yourself... I think you should try and teach yourself the ones i listed above, you'll be right mate

 

[Cookie182]

So you officially sat the exam, after your HSC and UAI from 2008 were already given to you?

How do you "add to your HSC"?

Or do you mean you did it on your own accord (ie at home)?

 

[Ben1220]

I'd be pretty surprised if anyone who has already finished can add to their ENTER. If you could, anyone who has gone through first year university maths could just go and ace the 4 unit, or specialist maths exam. Not that there would be any need for it really.

 

[addikaye03]

So you officially sat the exam, after your HSC and UAI from 2008 were already given to you?

How do you "add to your HSC"?

Or do you mean you did it on your own accord (ie at home)?

I learn it under my own accord at home, but sat the HSC 2009 exam. Which will effectly alter my UAI (not that i need it for my course).

What you do is enrol through 'board of studies' (instead of through a school) and you can do any number of units, in this case, i did Mx2 (1unit) and resat Mx1 (thought i would might go better). This system is basically for people that need some prerequisite for a Job/Course (they might not be consered for the course without it) but didn't study it at school.

And to answer Ben's statement, you can in the HSC, i don't know about VCE system. Once you've moved to tertiary, you can't move back to secondary or something i remember.

 

[jb_nc]

If you really want to have the edge in engineering, teach yourself how to own Microsoft Excel (e.g. macros, VBA, solver, engineering toolkit and the stranger functions which can be useful). You can write code to do Laplace transforms, solve DEs and evaluate matrices.

Learn it and you will be 100 miles ahead of everyone else.

 

[spagbowl]

If you really want to have the edge in engineering, teach yourself how to own Microsoft Excel (e.g. macros, VBA, solver, engineering toolkit and the stranger functions which can be useful). You can write code to do Laplace transforms, solve DEs and evaluate matrices.

Learn it and you will be 100 miles ahead of everyone else.

Is that just for civil or does it apply to chemical aswell? Not that i plan on doing any study these holidays I'm just intrested.

 

[addikaye03]

If you really want to have the edge in engineering, teach yourself how to own Microsoft Excel (e.g. macros, VBA, solver, engineering toolkit and the stranger functions which can be useful). You can write code to do Laplace transforms, solve DEs and evaluate matrices.

Learn it and you will be 100 miles ahead of everyone else.

That's interesting dude, explain more. I've heard alot about MATLAB, is that similar to excel is it?

I'm currently learning vectors (surjective etc) to go onto matrices, i hear people talking about DE (differential equations) and Laplace transform alot, sounds like powerful stuff.

 

[Ben1220]

That's interesting dude, explain more. I've heard alot about MATLAB, is that similar to excel is it?

I'm currently learning vectors (surjective etc) to go onto matrices, i hear people talking about DE (differential equations) and Laplace transform alot, sounds like powerful stuff.

yeah all the engineering students bitch about matlab all the time. I'll probably be bitching about it in a few months when I take linear algebra in the summer. There must be some reason why it's so popular with so many maths and engineering departments though...

Also its interesting that you can do secondary subjects again like that. Once you've been to uni for a while though theres no need, you get a clean slate, if you want to transfer you need to do well at uni. Universities are more interested in you're current academic performance then how you did in high school. That's in the past. To get into a doctoral degree at the best universities in the world you don't even have to give any information about how you went in highschool.

 

[tommykins]

If you really want to have the edge in engineering, teach yourself how to own Microsoft Excel (e.g. macros, VBA, solver, engineering toolkit and the stranger functions which can be useful). You can write code to do Laplace transforms, solve DEs and evaluate matrices.

Learn it and you will be 100 miles ahead of everyone else.

can't we already do that using Maple or whatever?

 

[Uncle]

That's interesting dude, explain more. I've heard alot about MATLAB, is that similar to excel is it?

I'm currently learning vectors (surjective etc) to go onto matrices, i hear people talking about DE (differential equations) and Laplace transform alot, sounds like powerful stuff.

fucking lol

 

[Cookie182]

Matlab is bascially used for linear algebra problems, yes/no?

 

[Uncle]

Sometimes I have to use one expression to prove another and i didnt do 4 unit.
i just proceed and often it works out.
sometimes i thinks its more than problem solving is important in engineering, but being able to meet design constraints and using software as well.

Matlab is bascially used for linear algebra problems, yes/no?

Yes, but MATLAB in hands like mine can be a very powerful tool.
I've used it to solve ODEs, create interpolating curves to plots, roots for seemingly nasty-looking equations even though it is similar to C but a high level programming language with front end interfaces, it definitely is NOT Excel.
You can use Excel and MATLAB to perform iterative methods and numerical integration, but MATLAB does more and it doesn't even resemble a spreadsheet.

 

[addikaye03]

fucking lol

OmGz U Totle Kall'd M OwT On Dat, YoR so KeWl Uncle.

 

[Studentleader]

First year subjects:

Linear Algebra - Eigenvectors, Dot Product, Cross Product
Calculus - Laplace transformations, Integration (by parts, seperation of variables...)
Statistics - Covaraince, Hypothesis testing
Probability - Joint probability distributions, t distrubtion, binomial distribution, set theory, axioms of probability
Logic - Mathematical Induction, Proofs, Fundamental theorms

Go to the maths forum and check the 'good sites' thread - I have listed a few for good self study

 

[addikaye03]

First year subjects:

Linear Algebra - Eigenvectors, Dot Product, Cross Product
Calculus - Laplace transformations, Integration (by parts, seperation of variables...)
Statistics - Covaraince, Hypothesis testing
Probability - Joint probability distributions, t distrubtion, binomial distribution, set theory, axioms of probability
Logic - Mathematical Induction, Proofs, Fundamental theorms

Go to the maths forum and check the 'good sites' thread - I have listed a few for good self study

That's different than my course, at Melbourne.

Engineering System Design 1 and 2:
https://app.portal.unimelb.edu.au/CSCApplication/view/2008/800-001
https://app.portal.unimelb.edu.au/CSCApplication/view/2009/800-002

Phyics 1 and 2:
https://app.portal.unimelb.edu.au/CSCApplication/view/2009/640-131
https://app.portal.unimelb.edu.au/CSCApplication/view/2009/640-112

Accelerated Mathematics 2:
https://app.portal.unimelb.edu.au/CSCApplication/view/2009/620-158

Elective: (I'm doing logic)
https://app.portal.unimelb.edu.au/CSCApplication/view/2008/800-123

EDIT: Actually, Acc Maths 2 has pretty similar course structure now that i look closer lol

Btw, its a amalgamation between Calculus and linear algebra, both can be studied separately.