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To become first in a course do you just have to get the best mark in the exam or is your internal assesment rank/marks applied aswell...?
 

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You'd have to be ranked first internally and beat the rest of the state in the external exam, therefore giving you the highest HSC mark.
 

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No, you just have to come first in the exam. If there is more than one person first, then they include internal marks
 

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nah if you're ranked 50th internally and get 100% raw in external then you probably won't come first in state.
 

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nah if you're ranked 50th internally and get 100% raw in external then you probably won't come first in state.
Chances are that wouldn't happen though, I don't think.
 

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awesome. Thanks guys. Hopefully i'll have a shot at something next year haha :p
 

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nah if you're ranked 50th internally and get 100% raw in external then you probably won't come first in state.
If you're ranked 50th in the school, you'll get the 50th highest exam mark - or thereabouts, and the person who gets 1st in the school will get your hard-earned 100% exam mark. I think.
 

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If you're ranked 50th in the school, you'll get the 50th highest exam mark - or thereabouts, and the person who gets 1st in the school will get your hard-earned 100% exam mark. I think.
Nah. There are a few threads in the guidance and counsel forums. Cbb explaining here.

Here's my explanation:

http://community.boredofstudies.org/110/atar-hsc-marks-guidance-counsel/221691/how-does-your-internal-ranking-affect-your-atar/3.html#post4600126
 
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I knew I already knew most of it... it's just that regurgitating them at 11pm is not exactly the best time to do it =P
 

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Well, i was actually hoping for English. I mean, i've received 100% so far for my English Adv. course and Ext course. though I'm happy just to do well! lol
 

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Don't get your hopes up too much though, a girl at my school (who was accelerated) was first internally, only lost 1 mark all year (in the trials) and even had full marks in prelim ext 1, but she only ended up with 96 for her HSC mark. I mean that's an awesome mark, but it still isn't a first in course.

Good luck though, I hope you get it. It's always good to have a goal.

=)
 

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What I don't understand is how kids he aren't ranked first internally end up first in a course. A couple of years ago 2 kids in James Ruse topped the state in Physics and neither were ranked first internally.
 

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Yeah, how can she get only 96 if she only lost one mark and she was first in the course?
 

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You'd have to be ranked first internally and beat the rest of the state in the external exam, therefore giving you the highest HSC mark.
Not true. I was ranked 3rd internally, but got 100 externally. They take the HSC mark, which is an average of the internal+external.

FYI, the scaling process (in relation to the ATAR) takes the RAW marks. My HSC mark scaled up to 100 due to my raw.
 

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My friend was ranked 2nd in physics and topped the state.

Another person was ranked 4th in phyiscs (in other year) and topped the state.

So...yeah...
 

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Not true. I was ranked 3rd internally, but got 100 externally. They take the HSC mark, which is an average of the internal+external.

FYI, the scaling process (in relation to the ATAR) takes the RAW marks. My HSC mark scaled up to 100 due to my raw.
It's Miss 99.95 ATAR!

* Shadowdude worships

Anyway, if you were 3rd and got scaled up to 100 due to the raw mark - shouldn't the 2nd and 1st placed people too get 100 and should therefore top the state?

This system gets more and more confusing.
 

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From what I've heard there are very minor differences (decimal points) which are taken into account but usually thiskind of stuff is complicated and hard to understand.
 

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