Is it possible to achieve 99+ ATAR from taking both histories? (4 Viewers)

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My point is, Legal has some of the best scaling there is out there. it's better than PDHPE (which is NOT a bad scalar)
\Edit: Plus scaling is done each year. So if one year

All MX2 student scored above 75% in the examination, it would scale down accordingly. You are wrong if you attempt to claim subjects in their own right are scaled up or down. It doesn't work like that. It's different every year, and that is because:

- It depends on the results the course candidature achieve each year, which is highly variable when you chuck in markers and exam writers playing with exams and writing them in new and interesting weird ways
 
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i got 99.20 and i did 5 unit history, visual arts, english advanced and legal studies.
(obviously, all quite low scaling subjects). I also did not rank that highly in these subjects apart from modern history, i also did not go to a selective school. i would hardly classify myself anywhere near the "state elite".

i got
96 modern history - school rank 2nd/44
48 hex - school rank 5/13
97 ancient history - school rank 6/18.
Fucking oath I was not flaming low scaling subjects I just said those are shit examples, nothing more. Your results are obviously a good example that 99+ can be acheived with histories.
 

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Scaling Noob alert.

Legal Studies scales quite well. And are you even in Year 11? Or are you in year 10? You know less than me about scaling
It scales shit compared to his other subjects and quite a few more subjects like Modern History and Economics.
 

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"Didn't need to change anything"
Well, what a stupid assertion to make!
This implies that you should listen to biatchs, e.g. mrs bard and others who says, "What are you doing this for? Do this. It's a better ATAR aimer subject. Shuffle this. Wriggle that subject. Crush your chef dreams for me. get hospo down the can" and other babble.

I honestly think that you mislead people with your crap about capping and scaling. NO SUBJECT has a "cap" No one from UAC would admit that it is as simple as "just a cap. You can't get more than 91 points for aggregate".


A cap is:
The maximum mark achieved in a course
. E.g. general maths = 91
It's not capped
It's cuz the standard expected (100) was not achieved.

And the person who comes first doesn't always get 100% in everything so to give them 100 would be unfair and inaccurate. There is no cap. they're just over-simplifying it (UAC is) to the point that original meaning is lost

P.S. I do Hospitality and if I got approx 85 in it I could count it for ATAR and still get around 99.10
How is that a stupid assertion? I chose all my subjects based on what i liked, ignoring scaling (I was going to do EES but it was on the same line as physics >.>) and it just so happened that all my subjects were high scaling. I would assume that shadowdude did the same thing.

Now, you've been the one misleading people. In fact, your definition of a scaled subject is wrong. A capped subject is a subjects who had a maximum scaled mark less than 100 (UAC scales marks, nto BOS). It's not that "The maximum mark achieved in a course" - you are talking about the aligned overall subject marks there. They are different things.

And just FYI - many subjects don't need a student to get 100% in order to reward them a 100/100 subject mark - they just have to get higher than the aligned mark required to get 100 (BOS not UAC aligns).

Of course hospo could be included in someone's subjects who got 99.10 - it'd just have to be an awesome mark that gives a decent scaled mark which when added to the other scaled marks of that person equates to a rank of 99.10.

So there you go - you're the one that should stop misleading people.

There are caps, to ensure scaling is done. In the grand scheme of the ATAR, scaled marks make up the aggregate. If 100 in General Maths gives you 50 aggregate, and 92 in MX2 gives you 50 aggregate, they are on level ground. So that's why a 100 in General Maths gets you like 44 or something.

Look at table A3, capped subjects is where the Max. Mark is 50, but the Max. Scaled Mark is not 50.
Sort of correct. They don't just cap general maths because it's an "easy subject" or because they don't want to put it on the same "level" at MX2. It's because the kids sitting general maths are relatively "stupid" compared to kids in other subjects. If all the MX2 students did general maths instead, then general maths would have much better scaling.

Scaling Noob alert.

Legal Studies scales quite well. And are you even in Year 11? Or are you in year 10? You know less than me about scaling
I'd actually say that you're the scaling noob seeing as you didn't even know what is meant by a subject being capped.

Oh and Legal studies scaled average in my books - its scaling is relatively average/ok. If you don't know what the difference is between relative scaling and actual/literal scaling then you my friend have lots of reading to do.

My point is, Legal has some of the best scaling there is out there. it's better than PDHPE (which is NOT a bad scalar)
\Edit: Plus scaling is done each year. So if one year

All MX2 student scored above 75% in the examination, it would scale down accordingly. You are wrong if you attempt to claim subjects in their own right are scaled up or down. It doesn't work like that. It's different every year, and that is because:

- It depends on the results the course candidature achieve each year, which is highly variable when you chuck in markers and exam writers playing with exams and writing them in new and interesting weird ways
Ok now you're just confusing everyone. If the cut off for n E4 (= band 6) that year was 70% then everyone in the state would get an E4. This process is called aligning if that was what you were referring to.

If you were talking about actual scaling, then UAC would take the raw marks and scale them based on the strengh of that year's cohort. This is apparently determined by some magic formula but it's basically calculated on the performance of that subject's students in other subjects. So if everyone in MX2 was super smart and scored highly in other subjects, MX2 marks would be scaled up. The reverse is also true - if they scored horribly in other subjects the MX2 marks would be scaled down.

So there you go - it doesn't matter whether or not everyone got over some certain % - marks or scaled up or down based on the strength of the cohort not what mark they got in that subject.

I have looked at the A3 table. It doesn't prove anything because it only gives "Maximum Scaled Mark" which means "maximum mark achieved" not "max mark achievABLE"

So to summarise Edwin you're wrong I'm right :p:karate:
Indeed you are somewhat correct - the max scaled mark = max scaled mark achieved for that year (note that i said max scaled mark because scaled mark =/= overall subject mark!) and could vary from year to year. However, as i've said before scaling is based on the strength of that subject's cohort so for subjects which are capped, unless lots of smart kids suddenly do that subject the max scalled mark will pretty much stay the same (and it really doesn't fluctuate much at all) - ie it will stay capped.

So yes, the A3 table does prove something as it shows a reliable trend of what the capped subjects are.

Ancient history won't help as much as history extension and modern history

the short answer is prolly 'no you can't get a perfect atar with both histories' but theres nothing stopping u from getting close to 99.95 :)
Your 1st statement is correct but you're second is incorrect. You can get 99.95 doing histories but you need excellent marks for the histories as well as excellent marks in other subjects :)

It scales shit compared to his other subjects and quite a few more subjects like Modern History and Economics.
+1 but of course if you get a super great mark in legal your scaled mark will be very good anyway :)
 
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neva giv up watever subjects u do aim higher den a modafucker for satisfaction :music:
 

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Ancient history won't help as much as history extension and modern history

the short answer is prolly 'no you can't get a perfect atar with both histories' but theres nothing stopping u from getting close to 99.95 :)
No.

Please don't say things that are patently NOT TRUE.

I know FOR SURE - she was in my year at school and one of my classmates,

a girl who got 99.95 with both histories.

She also didn't get state ranks either. (Though of course she did exceptionally well). This debunks your statement and the statement of others who say that you need state ranks in the humanities in order to get 99.95, or that you can't get 99.95 at all. If anything, this year has shown to me how MANY humanities focused students get 99+ ATARS.

At the end of the day, if you're good at the humanities then GO FOR IT! Because it will do you more good than hypothetically doing another subject you might not like and are not as good at.

By that same token, if you're good at languages, or good at science - by all means pursue that. As long as you know that you will perform to your highest level in that subject, then you will be set.
 

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How is that a stupid assertion? I chose all my subjects based on what i liked, ignoring scaling (I was going to do EES but it was on the same line as physics >.>) and it just so happened that all my subjects were high scaling. I would assume that shadowdude did the same thing.

Now, you've been the one misleading people. In fact, your definition of a scaled subject is wrong. A capped subject is a subjects who had a maximum scaled mark less than 100 (UAC scales marks, nto BOS). It's not that "The maximum mark achieved in a course" - you are talking about the aligned overall subject marks there. They are different things.

And just FYI - many subjects don't need a student to get 100% in order to reward them a 100/100 subject mark - they just have to get higher than the aligned mark required to get 100 (BOS not UAC aligns).

Of course hospo could be included in someone's subjects who got 99.10 - it'd just have to be an awesome mark that gives a decent scaled mark which when added to the other scaled marks of that person equates to a rank of 99.10.

So there you go - you're the one that should stop misleading people.


Sort of correct. They don't just cap general maths because it's an "easy subject" or because they don't want to put it on the same "level" at MX2. It's because the kids sitting general maths are relatively "stupid" compared to kids in other subjects. If all the MX2 students did general maths instead, then general maths would have much better scaling.


I'd actually say that you're the scaling noob seeing as you didn't even know what is meant by a subject being capped.

Oh and Legal studies scaled average in my books - its scaling is relatively average/ok. If you don't know what the difference is between relative scaling and actual/literal scaling then you my friend have lots of reading to do.


Ok now you're just confusing everyone. If the cut off for n E4 (= band 6) that year was 70% then everyone in the state would get an E4. This process is called aligning if that was what you were referring to.

If you were talking about actual scaling, then UAC would take the raw marks and scale them based on the strengh of that year's cohort. This is apparently determined by some magic formula but it's basically calculated on the performance of that subject's students in other subjects. So if everyone in MX2 was super smart and scored highly in other subjects, MX2 marks would be scaled up. The reverse is also true - if they scored horribly in other subjects the MX2 marks would be scaled down.

So there you go - it doesn't matter whether or not everyone got over some certain % - marks or scaled up or down based on the strength of the cohort not what mark they got in that subject.


Indeed you are somewhat correct - the max scaled mark = max scaled mark achieved for that year (note that i said max scaled mark because scaled mark =/= overall subject mark!) and could vary from year to year. However, as i've said before scaling is based on the strength of that subject's cohort so for subjects which are capped, unless lots of smart kids suddenly do that subject the max scalled mark will pretty much stay the same (and it really doesn't fluctuate much at all) - ie it will stay capped.

So yes, the A3 table does prove something as it shows a reliable trend of what the capped subjects are.


Your 1st statement is correct but you're second is incorrect. You can get 99.95 doing histories but you need excellent marks for the histories as well as excellent marks in other subjects :)


+1 but of course if you get a super great mark in legal your scaled mark will be very good anyway :)
What a lifesaver.

And, Schoey, I'm HSC 2010 - therefore, I'm in Year 12.
 

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Well, at the worst, it's a lot better than it was before. And to think I thought aligning and scaling was the same thing!
 

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No.

Please don't say things that are patently NOT TRUE.

I know FOR SURE - she was in my year at school and one of my classmates,

a girl who got 99.95 with both histories.

She also didn't get state ranks either. (Though of course she did exceptionally well). This debunks your statement and the statement of others who say that you need state ranks in the humanities in order to get 99.95, or that you can't get 99.95 at all. If anything, this year has shown to me how MANY humanities focused students get 99+ ATARS.

At the end of the day, if you're good at the humanities then GO FOR IT! Because it will do you more good than hypothetically doing another subject you might not like and are not as good at.

By that same token, if you're good at languages, or good at science - by all means pursue that. As long as you know that you will perform to your highest level in that subject, then you will be set.
You are awesome ^^

Well, at the worst, it's a lot better than it was before. And to think I thought aligning and scaling was the same thing!
Hehe you've come a long way ^^
 

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Hear, hear!

All '10s and '11s should really take on board what Anna says - this brilliant girl knows her stuff.

:headbang:
Well you beat her in the HSC. You ranked first and she ranked about tenth (99.20). But yes Anna is smarter than you. And you suck :dog: Imma run away now just like Kanye!!! :p
 

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What a lifesaver.

And, Schoey, I'm HSC 2010 - therefore, I'm in Year 12.
Yes. But your name is Edwin. And I know who you are, as you would remember we were friends (best friends at one stage) in primary school. So I know for a fact that you're indeed in Year 11 2010 but meh you can lie if you're into it

Just remember it's a sin if you'r Catholic! :p
 

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Well you beat her in the HSC. You ranked first and she ranked about tenth (99.20). But yes Anna is smarter than you. And you suck :dog: Imma run away now just like Kanye!!! :p
I dunno about me being smarter than Wendy. She obviously has a better work ethic than i do and seeing as intelligence = natural ability + hard work she kicks my arse :)

And you still haven't replied to my post yet.
 

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I'm having second thoughts about being cool and taking both Ancient and Modern and maybe it would be a better idea to be a shitkicking sheep and take Physics or Chemistry in place of one of the histories so that I'll have a better chance of reaching my aim, even though I despise both of these sciences (and I'm already taking Biology).

So what are your opinions/thoughts?
Biology is all you should do for Medicine. There are no assumed knowledge subjects for medicine other than English-literacy (ESL is sufficient if you reach a high level of fluency)
 

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Biology is all you should do for Medicine. There are no assumed knowledge subjects for medicine other than English-literacy (ESL is sufficient if you reach a high level of fluency)
Many people from my school are taking chemistry 'because they want to do med'.

What do the others think? Guys?
 

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What a lifesaver.

And, Schoey, I'm HSC 2010 - therefore, I'm in Year 12.
Whatevs.

Reply to Anna's post:

Well. Quite misleading. It's misleading to give so much accurate information purely cuz it it a confusing process. So I aim to simplify scaling and put it into 'real terms' but you know what I mean, you practically majored in maths! :p

And all of what u said was valid, but it was stuff I sort of half-knew already by couldn'tbefucked to acknowledge as I'm not into essays like you:karate:


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