How much does ranking count toward the ATAR? (2 Viewers)

[DarlinJayne]

Lot's of people say ranking really matters? How does it make any difference? I mean... you get what you get?

I'm hoping to get an ATAR in the 90s but my grade is only very small? Would it be more likely in a bigger school?

 

[Flying_Vagoo]

Ranking determines 50% of you ATAR.

 

[brendroid]

I think school ranking also matters. So if you're first at the highest ranked school, you've got a good chance to get a high ATAR.

And with ranking usually comes marks.

I think the ATAR is pretty much the percent chance you have of getting into a Uni. So 95 ATAR gives you a 95% chance of getting into a Uni.

 

[DarlinJayne]

Ranking determines 50% of you ATAR.

Explain? What do you mean determines 50%? How?

 

[kaz1]

I think school ranking also matters. So if you're first at the highest ranked school, you've got a good chance to get a high ATAR.

And with ranking usually comes marks.

I think the ATAR is pretty much the percent chance you have of getting into a Uni. So 95 ATAR gives you a 95% chance of getting into a Uni.

No it's a ranking, UAC put out ranking cut offs to get into a course and you have to have that ranking to get in.

 

[ohexploitable]

Explain? What do you mean determines 50%? How?

50% of your ATAR is determined by your school assessments and 50% is from the exam and the end of yr 12. Ranking plays the main role in determining your assessment marks.

Therefore: "Ranking determines 50% of you ATAR."

 

[brendroid]

It's only a ranking then? Okay, my bad.

 

[ohexploitable]

I think the ATAR is pretty much the percent chance you have of getting into a Uni. So 95 ATAR gives you a 95% chance of getting into a Uni.

Fail analogy.

 

[DarlinJayne]

Fail analogy.

I agree. Yes it's only ranking... Not your chance of getting into uni courses- each uni course entails different minimum ranks to get in...

Thanks. I get to 50% thing now...

Still really ranking is just based on marks. I was under the impression that a ranking meant something else.

For example: two students from different school both acquire 90% in chemistry, one student is ranked 1st in their class and the other 4th. Which student is better off for their ATAR?

If either is better than the other- than ranking must being something other than just assessment marks?

 

[nutcracker]

I agree. Yes it's only ranking... Not your chance of getting into uni courses- each uni course entails different minimum ranks to get in...

Thanks. I get to 50% thing now...

Still really ranking is just based on marks. I was under the impression that a ranking meant something else.

For example: two students from different school both acquire 90% in chemistry, one student is ranked 1st in their class and the other 4th. Which student is better off for their ATAR?

If either is better than the other- than ranking must being something other than just assessment marks?

if the 90% they both get is a school mark, then there's no way to tell which is better off. because one school may have a harder/easier level of internal assessments than the other. what it all comes down to is how each school's cohort performs in the hsc and the marks they achieve in the hsc exams are allocated to the students in that particular school based on their internal ranking and that is what is ultimately the assessment mark.

 

[ohexploitable]

What i dont get is, if you got ranked last in the grade in a subject, but got the highest in the external mark, would you still get the lowest overall mark for that subject?

If so, fuck that.

For your assessment mark you get whatever the lowest exam mark is for the course. Like if you were ranked last but got 90% in exam and lowest exam mark is 10%, your HSC mark is 50%.

 

[ajdlinux]

For example: two students from different school both acquire 90% in chemistry, one student is ranked 1st in their class and the other 4th. Which student is better off for their ATAR?

It depends on how good their class is. If you come 4th in the Chem class at James Ruse, it's much better than coming 1st in the Chem class at my school. The moderation process accounts for this by placing your assessment marks between the top and bottom exam marks achieved by your class.

Generally when we're estimating ATARs here we ask for both class rank and overall school rank so as to get an idea of how good your class can be expected to be generally.

 

[mitchy_boy]

I hate all this scaling stuff.
I go to a school ranked like 40th right, so if I was down the bottom of the cohort would my marks be pulled up ro down?
Also what would happen if I was in the middle of the year?

 

[ajdlinux]

I hate all this scaling stuff.
I go to a school ranked like 40th right, so if I was down the bottom of the cohort would my marks be pulled up ro down?
Also what would happen if I was in the middle of the year?

If you're in the middle of the year, your assessment mark should be about the middle of the marks received by the rest of your year. Of course this depends on a few things like the gaps between different ranks in your year and so on, but that's what should generally happen.

If you're at a school ranked ~40, you certainly won't be 'pulled down' unless you have an exceptionally bad year.

 

[ohexploitable]

I hate all this scaling stuff.
I go to a school ranked like 40th right, so if I was down the bottom of the cohort would my marks be pulled up ro down?
Also what would happen if I was in the middle of the year?

Your marks are influenced by the performance of your cohort. If they do well then they pull you up, if they do shit then they pull you down.

 

[mitchy_boy]

That's what I wanted to hear. Because my year at the moment is said to be one of the best that they've had in a fair while.

 

[hscishard]

Gay. I have the worst cohort.
School is ranked below 500, way below 500.

Gotta come first in everything

 

[harrisony]

http://community.boredofstudies.org...do-rankings-schools-affect-your-hsc-mark.html
your school ranking does not affect your atar

 

[ar7]

http://community.boredofstudies.org...do-rankings-schools-affect-your-hsc-mark.html
your school ranking does not affect your atar

we know... we are talking about rank within their respective cohort

the rank of the school is determined AFTER the hsc exams have been sat

 

[mitchy_boy]

School's with higher rankings, will have students with higher marks, which as a whole will benifit students through scaling (or something like that). Thus higher marks -> higher ATAR. The rankings are unofficial, but are a good indicator of how the students at a particular school will perform.