State Rank vs Allrounder (5 Viewers)

[BLIT2014]

I'd rather all rounders, but state ranking a subject is a lot more prestigious...

 

[OzKo]

I'd say both are credible.

When you get to uni these are the only things which you could probably still boast about. ATAR is barely talked about (Have not been asked once this whole semester and I've spoken to probably 50-100 people).

Definitely not.

 

[anomalousdecay]

Definitely not.

Just goes to show how once you get to uni no-one cares what marks you achieved in school.

 

[Squar3root]

mfw 5 weeks into uni, the white people in the lecture in front of me are discussing the texts they each did for the modules

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....... Speaks for it's self. probably arts students

 

[RealiseNothing]

....... Speaks for it's self. probably arts students

ikr, stupid white people

 

[Squar3root]

Just goes to show how once you get to uni no-one cares what marks you achieved in school.

yep thats right. the ones that were asking "what atar did you get", "you only got X mark in Y subject!, filthy" i didn't and wouldn't want to be friends with anyways

we still ended up in the same place.

 

[RealiseNothing]

yep thats right. the ones that were asking "what atar did you get", "you only got X mark in Y subject!, filthy" i didn't and wouldn't want to be friends with anyways

we still ended up in the same place.

People who treat the HSC as anything other than a test of how much you actually gave a fuck in year 12, lol.

 

[Squar3root]

People who treat the HSC as anything other than a test of how much you actually gave a fuck in year 12, lol.

i can't believe that people spend upwards of $5-10K just to do good in year 11/12 and in the end they end up sitting next to some random black guy in the same lecture theater at the same uni doing the same course and in some cases that black guy out preformed them because they couldn't rely on the tutor they don't have anymore

plot twist: I'm the black guy

 

[enoilgam]

I'd rate a state ranking as being harder to achieve depending on the subject. I'd personally prefer all-rounders, but I guess it really depends on the person.

Either way, the prestige lasts for about two weeks after you get your results, then it fades (personal satisfaction lasts longer though).

 

[Drifting95]

I'd rate a state ranking as being harder to achieve depending on the subject. I'd personally prefer all-rounders, but I guess it really depends on the person.

Either way, the prestige lasts for about two weeks after you get your results, then it fades (personal satisfaction lasts longer though).

^^^^

Either achievement is great and i'm sure you'll be proud of yourself. As enoil said though, its more of a personal achievement type of thing rather than for the prestige. Brag about it at uni and you'll look like a basement (obliviousninja etc)

 

[Squar3root]

^^^^

Either achievement is great and i'm sure you'll be proud of yourself. As enoil said though, its more of a personal achievement type of thing rather than for the prestige. Brag about it at uni and you'll look like a basement (obliviousninja etc)

faken lel

 

[RealiseNothing]

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^^^^

Either achievement is great and i'm sure you'll be proud of yourself. As enoil said though, its more of a personal achievement type of thing rather than for the prestige. Brag about it at uni and you'll look like a basement (obliviousninja etc)

ON still brags about his non-existent state rank.

 

[obliviousninja]

Fk state ranks, see you at the dean's list event night niqs

 

[Squar3root]

Fk state ranks, see you at the dean's list event night niqs

I too hope to make it on the Deans Honours list

 

[GoldyOrNugget]

All rounder is piss easy. State rank is crazy hard

EDIT: dean's list is easier than both...

 

[Squar3root]

All rounder is piss easy. State rank is crazy hard

EDIT: dean's list is easier than both...

Not sure if srs

 

[GoldyOrNugget]

Not sure if srs

100% serious

To be an all-rounder, you just have to do well in most of your subjects. There are no limitations on how many people get it, so it's not competitive. I know plenty of students who were good but not great in their subjects, who got all-rounders with marks in the low 90s.

To get a state rank, particularly in a competitive subject, you need to be one of the best in the state in that subject. There are 5-20 slots available per subject. Enough said.

Dean's list is just pathetic. You can get on the dean's list in e.g. engineering with a WAM of 75. Are you kidding me?! That's the credit/distinction cutoff! That's the ATAR equivalent of like 80! How can you even compare that to a state rank?! The number of Dean's list achievers is absurd. They should have a list for people who are actually among the top. HD WAM at least.

/rant

EDIT: but yeah .95 is more prestigious than all of these. In the US system, an SAT perfect score is rarer than .95 but the test itself is crap so in my eyes it's less prestigious.

 

[Squar3root]

100% serious

To be an all-rounder, you just have to do well in most of your subjects. There are no limitations on how many people get it, so it's not competitive. I know plenty of students who were good but not great in their subjects, who got all-rounders with marks in the low 90s.

To get a state rank, particularly in a competitive subject, you need to be one of the best in the state in that subject. There are 5-20 slots available per subject. Enough said.

Dean's list is just pathetic. You can get on the dean's list in e.g. engineering with a WAM of 75. Are you kidding me?! That's the credit/distinction cutoff! That's the ATAR equivalent of like 80! How can you even compare that to a state rank?! The number of Dean's list achievers is absurd. They should have a list for people who are actually among the top. HD WAM at least.

/rant

EDIT: but yeah .95 is more prestigious than all of these. In the US system, an SAT perfect score is rarer than .95 but the test itself is crap so in my eyes it's less prestigious.

Really....? 75 WAM?

I gots dis

 

[D94]

100% serious

To be an all-rounder, you just have to do well in most of your subjects. There are no limitations on how many people get it, so it's not competitive. I know plenty of students who were good but not great in their subjects, who got all-rounders with marks in the low 90s.

To get a state rank, particularly in a competitive subject, you need to be one of the best in the state in that subject. There are 5-20 slots available per subject. Enough said.

Dean's list is just pathetic. You can get on the dean's list in e.g. engineering with a WAM of 75. Are you kidding me?! That's the credit/distinction cutoff! That's the ATAR equivalent of like 80! How can you even compare that to a state rank?! The number of Dean's list achievers is absurd. They should have a list for people who are actually among the top. HD WAM at least.

/rant

EDIT: but yeah .95 is more prestigious than all of these. In the US system, an SAT perfect score is rarer than .95 but the test itself is crap so in my eyes it's less prestigious.

You are rather mistaken or just clueless on a few counts.

There's the Dean's Honours List, and the Dean's Award. The Dean's Award is awarded to 125 students with a HD WAM. The Dean's Honours List is awarded to students with a 75 WAM and above. Both lists are for all years, not just your own cohort.

To equate a 75 WAM to an ATAR of 80 is rather absurd, and not worth debating about. Not everyone is a computing genius like you, so your perspective is highly skewed and I'm shocked you haven't realised that. You probably have high achieving friends as well, but the reality is that the majority of students do not have a Distinction WAM.

The number of Dean's Honours List is not absurd. Taking Mechanical Engineering as an example: in 2014, there were 269 students across all years who achieved 75 or above. There are around 1600 Mechanical Engineering students in total. That is around 17% of students. Of that, around 2.9% were students with a HD WAM, hence 14.1% have a DN WAM. So in each year for Mech, you are really only looking at 10 HD students and 50 DN students, and 290 other students. What this list doesn't show is whether or not those with DN WAMs are distributed normally, or skewed towards 84 or skewed towards 75. Don't think everyone on that list is simply on 75 - that is simply the low

If you should have any gripe with the system, it should be about how courses/subjects other than engineering contribute to the WAM and hence affect who goes on those lists. ATM, any course contributes to that WAM, so essentially students doing combined/double degrees will have their other degree contribute to the WAM, and hence skewing the results. Their other degree may be pulling their WAM up significantly, whereas in reality, they might not be very capable at engineering. I believe it should only be for engineering courses. That might be something worth raising with the Faculty.

In reference to your response to obliviousninja, you need to recognise that the Dean's List for the ASB is for students in the top 5%. That is completely different to engineering, so you cannot simply dismiss that as being easier than either state rank or all rounders. Not saying it is harder, but the top 5% could very well be students with 90+ WAMs, which is no simple feat: a state rank requires focus on one subject in one year and that one HSC exam; a 90+ WAM requires sustained effort consistently throughout the year, and in their exams.

 

[Squar3root]

D94 is always right. You take back what you said GN