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You don't really want zionists in charge of a country, let alone an enormous nuclear arsenal

US and Soviet Union pretty much has the same doctrine. If faced with certain annihilation, they'd take everyone down with them. It's pretty much the same thing as MAD except your enemies don't have nukes. If Israel really wanted to take down the ME, they would've down so many years ago.
 

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prahlly.

usually most spooks already have an inside to an organization. his statements about hamas is pretty much true, that as part of the muslim brotherhood they won't stop at the complete elimination of israel, rather their real goal is to establish an islamic caliphate which is what ISIS is doing. you don't really want those people in charge of a kindergarten let alone a country.
lol, idk what you keep arguing for.
1- Your arguments are absolutely pathetic. You make 0 points and you're obvsly defending something that's wrong.
2-You're very biased when supporting isreal and when criticising hamas which is probably the reason why you don't just admit that you're being illogical and what Israel is doing right now, is in fact horrible and disgusting. I mean ffs, they blew up the major hospital in gaza which was the number 1 trauma centre in gaza.. If that's not inhumane, i don't know what is
 

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US and Soviet Union pretty much has the same doctrine.
No it's not, because america doesn't need other countries to defend it, or at least has allies that support america without the threat of being blown up. If america ever actually did face an existential threat then there's probably going to be nukes involved either way given what it would take to truly threaten america's exisetence.

Israel however cannot defend itself against any and all possible threats and has a lunatic love of entering conflicts. The idea that innocent countries should be destroyed because they don't support zionism and the zionist insistence of living in land that the surrounding inhabitants view as stolen and in an area where the surrounding countries all want it destroyed.

If faced with certain annihilation, they'd take everyone down with them.
Right, and the fact that you're defending this just goes to show why you're a zionist retard.

If Israel really wanted to take down the ME, they would've down so many years ago.
that's not what the concern is

the concern is that israel basically does whatever it wants but if it ever bites off more than it can chew it feels perfectly fine with extorting the rest of the world into cleaning up its mess with the threat of compelte destruction
 

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israel threatening to destroy the entire planet is fine because america does it too
 

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israel threatening to destroy the entire planet is fine because america does it too
If the us wanted the shitty conflict to end , they would stop funding it.

Where else does Israel get the rockets from?
 

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If the us wanted the shitty conflict to end , they would stop funding it.

Where else does Israel get the rockets from?
Rafael supplies them and they have pretty good indigenous capabilities. Aid to Israel is just the cherry on top for them, they have a pretty good economy with a lot of high tech factories. Where do you think your computer parts are designed and made from?

Israeli spook got thrown in jail in USA because he stole nuclear secrets.

Sylvia: You'd be the same if every neighbouring country around you has called you an enemy of their people and should wipe you off the map. Not only that, Israel has been attacked since DAY ONE of its inception. I highly doubt the Israeli's would actually go through with the Samson Option and it's more of a deterrent. In political reality, the Jordanian, Egyptian and Saudi gov are friendly to Israel because they have common enemies.
 

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Sylvia: You'd be the same if every neighbouring country around you has called you an enemy of their people and should wipe you off the map.
That doesn't make it right, and nobody has a responsibility to help them because they insist on living where they do.

Not only that, Israel has been attacked since DAY ONE of its inception.
Right, which should tell you something about the wisdom of ever creating it in the first place, espeically considering that its creation was based on a bunch of people trying to kill them to begin with!


I highly doubt the Israeli's would actually go through with the Samson Option and it's more of a deterrent.
If it's a deterrent then people must believe it, which makes it wrong anyway. There's a reason why it's still armed robbery if you use a toy gun.
 
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That doesn't make it right, and nobody has a responsibility to help them because they insist on living where they do.



Right, which should tell you something about the wisdom of ever creating it in the first place.




If it's a deterrent then people must believe it, which makes it wrong anyway. There's a reason why it's still armed robbery if you use a toy gun.
it isn't often that I agree with what you have to say, but you made a very good point. It isn't like that is the only place in the world for them.
 

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no but they profit from it

not that I support this protest
 

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it isn't often that I agree with what you have to say, but you made a very good point. It isn't like that is the only place in the world for them.
Actually it is.

there were plans to create a jewish state in Madagascar or Australia before... After the holocaust the jews were extremely vulnerable, they had no security of the state they lived in, they had no army to protect them. This is why israel is established, a home for the jews to have safety. Jews have been kicked out of practically everywhere in the world.


 

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there were plans to create a jewish state in Madagascar or Australia before... After the holocaust the jews were extremely vulnerable, they had no security of the state they lived in, they had no army to protect them. This is why israel is established, a home for the jews to have safety. Jews have been kicked out of practically everywhere in the world.
hahahahahaahahahahahahahhaa

the only home for the vulnerable jews is in a region full of countries who want to kill all the jews
 

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hahahahahaahahahahahahahhaa

the only home for the vulnerable jews is in a region full of countries who want to kill all the jews
They chose israel because it was their original homeland and the proposal was mainly supported by a lot of zionist groups. Some chose to emigrate to the USA to escape persecution some chose to go to israel.

There has been a lot of development between Israel and the Arab league in the past decade. Have you not noticed that all the Arab governments haven't supported Hamas or even condemned them? Besides Syria and Iran, most of the arab governments have a good relationship with Israel, especially Jordan.
 

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They chose israel because it was their original homeland and the proposal was mainly supported by a lot of zionist groups. Some chose to emigrate to the USA to escape persecution some chose to go to israel.
right, but just a minute ago it was chosen because the only place they could be safe!

There has been a lot of development between Israel and the Arab league in the past decade. Have you not noticed that all the Arab governments haven't supported Hamas or even condemned them? Besides Syria and Iran, most of the arab governments have a good relationship with Israel, especially Jordan.
what does that have to do with the original creation of israel?


as you said:
only that, Israel has been attacked since DAY ONE of its inception.
 

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right, but just a minute ago it was chosen because the only place they could be safe!



what does that have to do with the original creation of israel?


as you said:
Israel's relationship with Arab states has a lot to do with their original creation, if the heshmite kings of jordan didn't agree to it Israel could not exist.

Israel is the only place in the world that all Jews can identify as "home." It's the same idea why the armenians have their own state, and currently why the kurds should have their own state too.

Israel being Jewish state essentially provides a national defence for the jewish people. Last time Jews lived elsewhere in Europe they almost got wiped out. That is the reason behind the creation of a Jewish state, because the social contract was broken between the state and jewish minorities. That's what it's mainly about, the idea of a Jewish state. There's a lot of reasons why Israel was chosen and it has a lot to do with Jews identifying Israel as their homeland and that the UK government gave the land away part of the decolonization process.
 

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