Does God exist? (8 Viewers)

[dan964]

All non-righteous people (Sinners I assume) are saved, as god sends his son to suffer and die for them. Make up ur mind dude

Nowhere did I say all. There lies your problem. Don't put words in my mouth.

I have given one signficant reason.

Jesus said "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.

The reason is there are things to be done, and time for people to turn back.
That is why the world is not brought to its V-day end. D-day has happened, but V-day is yet to come.

Sorry I have a tendency to start a sentence without finishing it.

 

[SammyT123]

Don't really have the patience to engage with semi-trolling at 11:15pm at night.
When you are trying to make several points at once I think both of us are losing track of what has been addressed and what hasn't. I certainly have.

But here is the first...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cal-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died

aaaand this was the first link I got when I searched the same thing...
it makes me wonder whether I should bother replying

It is a fairly concrete historical fact that Jesus lived and he died.

Sweet. He did exist - Genuinley convinced
Now please address everything else in that post, that you assumed to be some sort of troll attempt..

 

[dan964]

It was the only the last comment that seemed like that. I have never met you in real life to be able to tell fully.

I have addressed a little bit in the previous post. But I am going to sleep now

 

[SammyT123]

Nowhere did I say all. There lies your problem. Don't put words in my mouth.

Sigh. Semantics
Let me try that again
1. God let his son suffer and die for our sins
2. God killed us for our sins

I have given one signficant reason.
Jesus said "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.

Things to be done. That is why the world is not brought to its V-day end. D-day has happened, but V-day is yet to come.

Sorry I have a tendency to start a sentence without finishing it.

Sorry, I really do not see what "things need to be done" and why he can't just come to help us all out now.
To say "its not ur problem" is not a very good reason to explain why he has let us suffer for centuries upon centuries...

 

[SammyT123]

I would comment that such a methodology is flawed and the basis for accepting H1 is because we cannot prove the opposite, when H1 itself is an unverified claim.
A little bit problematic. But otherwise I like the approach.

Hang on,
As with almost ALL hypothesis testing (and science), we can never prove H1 or H0. You can only demonstrate that your model describes the data better than another model.
Here is a very, very good answer on how to choose a null hypothesis
(The last answer on the site)
https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/123287/how-to-choose-the-null-and-alternative-hypothesis

 

[Queenroot]

i believe in science and the big bang theory but even before that, what made that single atom there? was it a god? was it from another universe? if so how was that universe created?

Yeah my point is there doesn't have to be some sort of entity creating things

It's kind of like asking who created god

 

[Queenroot]

i believe in science and the big bang theory but even before that, what made that single atom there? was it a god? was it from another universe? if so how was that universe created?

Yeah my point is there doesn't have to be some sort of entity creating things

It's kind of like asking who created god

 

[Queenroot]

But most religious people kind of accept god as just being there without a starting point

 

[spaghettii]

i believe in science and the big bang theory but even before that, what made that single atom there? was it a god? was it from another universe? if so how was that universe created?

Yeah its essentially a "did the chicken or the egg come first?" kind of situation
I believe in the big bang theory as well, but I kind of believe that the universe sort of loops from expanding to compressing into another big bang and so on. Then again, there'd have to be something to catalyse the first universe.

I honestly don't think humanity will truly find out or settle on a single theory on how we came into existence before we go extinct.

 

[SammyT123]

Yeah its essentially a "did the chicken or the egg come first?" kind of situation
I believe in the big bang theory as well, but I kind of believe that the universe sort of loops from expanding to compressing into another big bang and so on. Then again, there'd have to be something to catalyse the first universe.

I honestly don't think humanity will truly find out or settle on a single theory on how we came into existence before we go extinct.

Yep
We can't ever ignore self causation [emoji106]

This seems the more plausible theory rather than a human-like all powerful guy (to me anyway)

 

[Queenroot]

Yeah its essentially a "did the chicken or the egg come first?" kind of situation
I believe in the big bang theory as well, but I kind of believe that the universe sort of loops from expanding to compressing into another big bang and so on. Then again, there'd have to be something to catalyse the first universe.

I honestly don't think humanity will truly find out or settle on a single theory on how we came into existence before we go extinct.

yeah fuck no Kim Jong un gonna drop a nuke and we'll be obliterated before that happens

 

[spaghettii]

Yep
We can't ever ignore self causation [emoji106]

This seems the more plausible theory rather than a human-like all powerful guy (to me anyway)

On the topic of a human-like all powerful being, I've never understood why a majority of deities have a human form. Why a human form? I mean on a universal scale we aren't even specks of dust - why would we be so special as to share the same form as an all powerful being?

 

[SammyT123]

On the topic of a human-like all powerful being, I've never understood why a majority of deities have a human form. Why a human form? I mean on a universal scale we aren't even specks of dust - why would we be so special as to share the same form as an all powerful being?

An elephant with many hands is pree cool
But yea we can never know the identity of this god.

 

[Microsoft Word]

On the topic of a human-like all powerful being, I've never understood why a majority of deities have a human form. Why a human form? I mean on a universal scale we aren't even specks of dust - why would we be so special as to share the same form as an all powerful being?

I wouldn't say a majority. There are a lot of the Egyptian and Hindu gods/goddesses and they aren't very human-like.

 

[spaghettii]

I wouldn't say a majority. There are a lot of the Egyptian and Hindu gods/goddesses and they aren't very human-like.

Yeah true. I guess I was mostly thinking of the Greek/Christian god/s.
Many deities do possess human qualities though, such as body structure, limbs, faces, etc

 

[Queenroot]

An elephant with many hands is pree cool
But yea we can never know the identity of this god.

omg the story for this is hilarious

A more popular legend deals with the birth of Ganesha to Parvati. Once while Parvati was going for her bath, she rubbed off the dust and oil from her body and out of it created the figure of a young boy. She infused life into the figure and told him he was her son and should guard the entrance when she went down to bathe.
Soon after, Shiva came to see Parvati but the young boy blocked his way and would not let him in. Shiva, unaware that this lad was his son, became furious and in great anger fought with the boy whose head got severed from his body in the ensuing battle.

Parvati, returning from her bath, saw her headless son and threatened, as Shakti, to destroy the heavens and the earth, so great was her sorrow.
The gods and Shiva pacified her and the latter sent out his ganas, or hordes, to bring the head of the first living being with his head towards the north (the auspicious direction associated with wisdom). They did so and the first living creature they found sleeping with its head to the north was an elephant.

They brought the head of this animal and Shiva placed it on the trunk of Parvati's son and breathed life into him. Parvati was overjoyed and embraced her son, the elephant-headed boy whom Shiva named Ganesha, the lord of his ganas.”

 

[SammyT123]

At this point I'm not even mad
Who even needs weed

 

[Queenroot]

mfw it's totally acceptable for gods to be beheadin people and animals mfw when ISIS

mfw when ISIS

 

[Squar3root]

Yeah its essentially a "did the chicken or the egg come first?" kind of situation
I believe in the big bang theory as well, but I kind of believe that the universe sort of loops from expanding to compressing into another big bang and so on. Then again, there'd have to be something to catalyse the first universe.

I honestly don't think humanity will truly find out or settle on a single theory on how we came into existence before we go extinct.

even if we say god created that single atom that sparked the existance of our universe, then who created that god that made the universe?

imo i think it is better just to believe that an atom appeared out of no where and created all this than to think a god created that atom who came out of no where and then created all this

 

[dan964]

even if we say god created that single atom that sparked the existance of our universe, then who created that god that made the universe?

imo i think it is better just to believe that an atom appeared out of no where and created all this than to think a god created that atom who came out of no where and then created all this

that is like asking why is a circle a square.

God and an atom are very different things. It is logically sensible to ask what made an atom (it is a contingent thing). But it doesn't make sense to ask what made God.
If something else made God, we call that thing God instead.