Coronavirus/Covid-19 Discussion Thread (4 Viewers)

[cosmo 2]

i know

im telling them specifically, this deletion shit is pointless and gay

 

[Trebla]

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[SylviaB]

lol dude who the heck cares

 

[cosmo 2]

i think the most important thing about the whole corona/lockdown thing is its exposed just how much of the economy is kind of meaningless and not even needed

cafes
restaurants
tourism
bars
discretionary retail
immigration
international students

society hasnt collaped w/o these things, it has made barely any diff at all. why are we still requiring ppl to work in these places theyd be better off just getting a cheque from the govt to do nothing all day instead

 

[SylviaB]

Well one thing to consider is the difference between how things are vs how things would be if this situation were permanent and those sort of things werent coming back

not sure how it would change exactly but people behavior, especially those with money, would be a lot different

 

[cosmo 2]

ya idk some people will still wanna work/chase status in some way but heaps of ppl doing meaningless shit all day would ==never== work again if you gaev them the option to, its why welfare always disincentives working bc most people dont fucking want to to dop it

and quite frankly if youre doing something meaningless all day like slinging coffees or some dumb shit, why bother

none of that shit is essential to life/happiness its just another sink hole fire pit people chuck their money into

ohhh gotta have my coffee gotta have it

whenever i see a line of cars at the mcdonalds drive thru in the morning or w/e clogging up half the street i roll my eyes lol

who would waste their time waiting for 40 mins to buy a coffee thteyre just gonna drink in 2 mins

 

[SylviaB]

 

[SylviaB]

that phd number is total bogus though lol this was based on facebook data

 

[SylviaB]

ya idk some people will still wanna work/chase status in some way but heaps of ppl doing meaningless shit all day would ==never== work again if you gaev them the option to, its why welfare always disincentives working bc most people dont fucking want to to dop it

and quite frankly if youre doing something meaningless all day like slinging coffees or some dumb shit, why bother

none of that shit is essential to life/happiness its just another sink hole fire pit people chuck their money into

ohhh gotta have my coffee gotta have it

whenever i see a line of cars at the mcdonalds drive thru in the morning or w/e clogging up half the street i roll my eyes lol

who would waste their time waiting for 40 mins to buy a coffee thteyre just gonna drink in 2 mins

I mean if rich people aren't spending their money on restaurants and coffee etc. what will they spend it on

 

[cosmo 2]

canvas paintings smeared in the artists shit

 

[enoilgam]

Well one thing to consider is the difference between how things are vs how things would be if this situation were permanent and those sort of things werent coming back

Agreed - I think part of the reason that the economy hasnt done as bad as predicted is because there is an expectation that lockdowns are temporary and once lifted, the business environment will be strong

ya idk some people will still wanna work/chase status in some way but heaps of ppl doing meaningless shit all day would ==never== work again if you gaev them the option to, its why welfare always disincentives working bc most people dont fucking want to to dop it

and quite frankly if youre doing something meaningless all day like slinging coffees or some dumb shit, why bother

none of that shit is essential to life/happiness its just another sink hole fire pit people chuck their money into

ohhh gotta have my coffee gotta have it

whenever i see a line of cars at the mcdonalds drive thru in the morning or w/e clogging up half the street i roll my eyes lol

who would waste their time waiting for 40 mins to buy a coffee thteyre just gonna drink in 2 mins

As much as I hate COVID and these lockdowns, I do think that life has changed in many ways for the better. Prior to COVID the world was just becoming one huge overpowered rat race. People were becoming obsessed with busyness and it was becoming a major fashion statement. COVID forced people to slow down and get back to basics. Also working from home I think has been a really good change. Most people I worked with had to travel 45 minutes or more each way to work - you add that up and it is a lot of hours wasted in travel (I was commuting around 10 hours per week). Also people have been able to spend more time at home and their ability to juggle family and work has improved. Australia had been struggling for years with stagnant productivity and I think WFH will change that.

ya idk some people will still wanna work/chase status in some way but heaps of ppl doing meaningless shit all day would ==never== work again if you gaev them the option to

This is something Ive never understood. I go to work for money and my aim has always been to retire ASAP, preferably in my 40s. Why would I want to waste my life doing something pointless like work when I can live my life doing what I want. But so many people dont get why I want to retire. Like take my Dad, he keeps telling me "What are you going to do when you retire, you'll be bored". This from a guy who literally complains non-stop about his job, but whenever I tell him to retire (which he can easily do), he says he will be bored and needs to keep working. I dont get it - it's like he doesnt like his job but is dependent on it because he wouldnt have anything to do without it.

I get that some people love their jobs, but the majority of people are like my Dad, dependent on something they dont really care about. It's something Ill never understand.

 

[Life'sHard]

This is something Ive never understood. I go to work for money and my aim has always been to retire ASAP, preferably in my 40s. Why would I want to waste my life doing something pointless like work when I can live my life doing what I want. But so many people dont get why I want to retire. Like take my Dad, he keeps telling me "What are you going to do when you retire, you'll be bored". This from a guy who literally complains non-stop about his job, but whenever I tell him to retire (which he can easily do), he says he will be bored and needs to keep working. I dont get it - it's like he doesnt like his job but is dependent on it because he wouldnt have anything to do without it.

I get that some people love their jobs, but the majority of people are like my Dad, dependent on something they dont really care about. It's something Ill never understand.

I agree with this and can understand both perspectives. I reckon investing in yourself and finding your passions and hobbies in your younger years can definitely impact your decision to retire. If you’ve got a skill you want to improve or a sport you want to do when you’re young but can’t get around to doing it because of life, retirement can be seen as the pathway to finally reaching it. I think the idea of investing in yourself is a very important thing to learn and in doing so, retirement can actually be seen as a reward. If you’ve got no hobbies, no skills etc what’s the point of retiring. Some people enjoy that routine lifestyle and can’t see them self anywhere else despite not enjoying what they’re doing. A very paradoxical aspect of the human condition.

 

[cosmo 2]

lols working is completely and utterly fucked, its some middle class delusion that most people like their jobs, even if they don't admit it their behaviour suggets otherwise when theyre given an option not to work

black slaves in the south used to say they liked being slaves too

 

[SylviaB]

I would rather get my salary without having to work than having to work for my salary.

But I would probably rather work than have the same amount of money as everyone else and not have to work

also if no non-rich people had to work I think the economy and society would change considerably in some positive and many negative ways

like imagine how many currently low-income workers would e.g. get drunk on a daily/nightly basis if they never had to get up early and go to work, and the externalities caused by this

 

[brent012]

I know a few colleagues that retired like 6 months into the pandemic, both fairly wealthy - one at retirement age, but the other in their 40s.

I reckon if it was business as usual, they would have stuck around longer. But the changes in working patterns made them re-evaluate if they actually needed to work. I think it was a great idea for one of them, but the other hasn't exactly been making good use of their time after retirement.

 

[SylviaB]

also the idea that vast swathes of the population not working (e.g. with a UBI) is a remotely viable option depends on us being able to outsource manufacturing to poor countries

which im not opposed to but worth keeping this in mind

 

[SylviaB]

But I would probably rather work than have the same amount of money as everyone else and not have to work

like imagine if where you live was randomly assigned and you had no way of avoiding living around ferals etc.

which is precisely the sort of thing that makes me want to have more money than other people

 

[cosmo 2]

also the idea that vast swathes of the population not working (e.g. with a UBI) is a remotely viable option depends on us being able to outsource manufacturing to poor countries

which im not opposed to but worth keeping this in mind

the idea though is that we wouldnt need to work so much if we simply didnt consume so much

obviously some things should still be produced, which will necessitate work (stuff that increases/maintains high life-expectancy, etc)

but imagine just how many labor hours would be freed up if people drove less, didnt buy a new car as much, didnt renovate their faggot kitchen every 10 years, etc. etc. so much consumption is impulse driven and really doesnt need to happen; it contributes to QoL in a very subjective sense to a great degree, and to the extent that the QoL improvements are real they are cancelled out by the fact that you have to work a lot more to 'acquire' them

 

[Hiheyhello]

the idea though is that we wouldnt need to work so much if we simply didnt consume so much

obviously some things should still be produced, which will necessitate work (stuff that increases/maintains high life-expectancy, etc)

but imagine just how many labor hours would be freed up if people drove less, didnt buy a new car as much, didnt renovate their faggot kitchen every 10 years, etc. etc. so much consumption is impulse driven and really doesnt need to happen; it contributes to QoL in a very subjective sense to a great degree, and to the extent that the QoL improvements are real they are cancelled out by the fact that you have to work a lot more to 'acquire' them

i lowkey agree with this because i’m idealistic….

let’s go back to the middle ages!

 

[cosmo 2]

sounds good to me

medieval peasants lives werent even that bad, its a myth