Al-Faisal College beats James Ruse in Maths (3 Viewers)

[Drongoski]

Congratulations Al-Faisal College, Alpha Omega Senior College, Al Noori Muslim School for your outstanding performance in this year's HSC Maths.

I'm not aware if Al-Faisal is even selective. But James Ruse, each year has the cream of the cream of NSW students. Understandably it has been overall top of HSC as well as top in maths for as long as I can remember.

Now a number of Muslim schools have done so amazingly well in maths. This will go a long way in correcting the mostly negative image most people have of the Muslim community: suicide bombers, Al Qaeda, the Islamic State, the gang wars of the crime families . . . .

Very heartening to the majority of Muslims who just want a place where they can bring up their children for a better life, be decent members of the wider community.

 

[yanujw]

Is this by percentage of maths students achieving Band 6? IIRC, this has happened in past years, because these schools force more of their students into 2U and away from 4U. I'm really skeptical these schools have more genuine maths skill than JR.

 

[Trebla]

I think this is in reference to the following article:

How a young western Sydney private school produced one of the standout HSC maths classes

Alpha Omega Senior College in Auburn has only existed for about 10 years, but it already has a success rate in maths to rival some of the state’s top selective schools.

www.smh.com.au

Not to take away from the achievements of the students in those schools, but care needs to be taken to put the statistics with appropriate context (much like the broader school rankings in the media). What these schools have achieved is amazing but it would be misleading to say that Al-Faisal has outperformed James Ruse in maths (by measure of band 6s) when the different levels of the cohort as a whole are not taken into account.

For example, the article notes that the majority of the students in Al-Faisal did Mathematics Standard as a caveat (which James Ruse does not offer) and it is well known (anecdotally at least) that there are practices of forcing perfectly capable students into lower level maths courses. Since the data excludes a significant chunk of their students (it only shows advanced and extension percentages), it would not be correct to extrapolate this to make a general comment about the cohort as a whole.

More context can be provided if you look at where the band 6s are coming from even if you just outright ignore the Mathematics Standard students (which you shouldn't). For Al-Faisal, the proportions of its band 6s in Adv, Ext1 and Ext2 are (66%, 18%, 16%) whereas for James Ruse they are (12%, 52% 37%). This suggests that for Al-Faisal, most of the band 6s are coming from Mathematics Advanced whereas for James Ruse, the majority of its band 6s are coming from Mathematics Extension 1 (noting that about half its students take Ext2).

 

[Drongoski]

I think this is in reference to the following article:

How a young western Sydney private school produced one of the standout HSC maths classes

Alpha Omega Senior College in Auburn has only existed for about 10 years, but it already has a success rate in maths to rival some of the state’s top selective schools.

www.smh.com.au

Not to take away from the achievements of the students in those schools, but care needs to be taken to put the statistics with appropriate context (much like the broader school rankings in the media). What these schools have achieved is amazing but it would be misleading to say that Al-Faisal has outperformed James Ruse in maths (by measure of band 6s) when the different levels of the cohort as a whole are not taken into account.

For example, the article notes that the majority of the students in Al-Faisal did Mathematics Standard as a caveat (which James Ruse does not offer) and it is well known (anecdotally at least) that there are practices of forcing perfectly capable students into lower level maths courses. Since the data excludes a significant chunk of their students (it only shows advanced and extension percentages), it would not be correct to extrapolate this to make a general comment about the cohort as a whole.

More context can be provided if you look at where the band 6s are coming from even if you just outright ignore the Mathematics Standard students (which you shouldn't). For Al-Faisal, the proportions of its band 6s in Adv, Ext1 and Ext2 are (66%, 18%, 16%) whereas for James Ruse they are (12%, 52% 37%). This suggests that for Al-Faisal, most of the band 6s are coming from Mathematics Advanced whereas for James Ruse, the majority its band 6s are coming from Mathematics Extension 1 (noting that the majority its students take Ext2).

Trebla: your caveat is very valid. It'll be good if we have a proper breakdown of subjects taken etc. I wonder if they have a tendency to doing the simpler Standard Maths. A Vietnamese, Indian, Chinese, Korean or Sri Lankan, I notice, would always try to dothe harder maths,, if they can handle them.

 

[lqd97127]

Congratulations Al-Faisal College, Alpha Omega Senior College, Al Noori Muslim School for your outstanding performance in this year's HSC Maths.

I'm not aware if Al-Faisal is even selective. But James Ruse, each year has the cream of the cream of NSW students. Understandably it has been overall top of HSC as well as top in maths for as long as I can remember.

Now a number of Muslim schools have done so amazingly well in maths. This will go a long way in correcting the mostly negative image most people have of the Muslim community: suicide bombers, Al Qaeda, the Islamic State, the gang wars of the crime families . . . .

Very heartening to the majority of Muslims who just want a place where they can bring up their children for a better life, be decent members of the wider community.

do you know where i can get hsc 2021 school ranking by subjects? Thanks

 

[BlueGas]

 

[Ledepressedrightnow]

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What is ur point?

 

[BlueGas]

What is ur point?

Just some data for anybody to rely on as reference

 

[Johnny Sins]

al faisal college is a shit school. they literally pick the subjects for each student depending on thier ability just to sustain their reputation. fraudsters

 

[5uckerberg]

Oh,

I think this is in reference to the following article:

How a young western Sydney private school produced one of the standout HSC maths classes

Alpha Omega Senior College in Auburn has only existed for about 10 years, but it already has a success rate in maths to rival some of the state’s top selective schools.

www.smh.com.au

Not to take away from the achievements of the students in those schools, but care needs to be taken to put the statistics with appropriate context (much like the broader school rankings in the media). What these schools have achieved is amazing but it would be misleading to say that Al-Faisal has outperformed James Ruse in maths (by measure of band 6s) when the different levels of the cohort as a whole are not taken into account.

For example, the article notes that the majority of the students in Al-Faisal did Mathematics Standard as a caveat (which James Ruse does not offer) and it is well known (anecdotally at least) that there are practices of forcing perfectly capable students into lower level maths courses. Since the data excludes a significant chunk of their students (it only shows advanced and extension percentages), it would not be correct to extrapolate this to make a general comment about the cohort as a whole.

More context can be provided if you look at where the band 6s are coming from even if you just outright ignore the Mathematics Standard students (which you shouldn't). For Al-Faisal, the proportions of its band 6s in Adv, Ext1 and Ext2 are (66%, 18%, 16%) whereas for James Ruse they are (12%, 52% 37%). This suggests that for Al-Faisal, most of the band 6s are coming from Mathematics Advanced whereas for James Ruse, the majority its band 6s are coming from Mathematics Extension 1 (noting that about half its students take Ext2).

This is just sad coming from the fact that we have a very huge shortage of skilled STEM specialists why would any school in their right mind give their students a ceiling that they cannot pass in Year 12 and as such think that maths is so easy but get bombarded when they arrive in uni?

My question is who in their right mind would get so many of their students to do lower maths courses in the view of making themselves look good in the rankings. I think this is just as bad if not more worse than students gaming the ATAR.

Also @Trebla how many students in your year 12 cohort did Maths Extension I and II when you were in Year 12 because I want to see how much has this aspect and gaming the ATAR impacted the number of students doing high level maths.

 

[vishnay]

Oh,


This is just sad coming from the fact that we have a very huge shortage of skilled STEM specialists why would any school in their right mind give their students a ceiling that they cannot pass in Year 12 and as such think that maths is so easy but get bombarded when they arrive in uni?

afaik this is mostly a private school problem and sometimes a comprehensive school problem when they have limited resources or not enough students doing a particular subject

go to basically any govt school in the top ~100 and u have some kids of a standard maths level taking 4u maths

 

[sab13562]

Congratulations Al-Faisal College, Alpha Omega Senior College, Al Noori Muslim School for your outstanding performance in this year's HSC Maths.

I'm not aware if Al-Faisal is even selective. But James Ruse, each year has the cream of the cream of NSW students. Understandably it has been overall top of HSC as well as top in maths for as long as I can remember.

Now a number of Muslim schools have done so amazingly well in maths. This will go a long way in correcting the mostly negative image most people have of the Muslim community: suicide bombers, Al Qaeda, the Islamic State, the gang wars of the crime families . . . .

Very heartening to the majority of Muslims who just want a place where they can bring up their children for a better life, be decent members of the wider community.

Congratulations to them and all other schools that did extremely well!

 

[5uckerberg]

afaik this is mostly a private school problem and sometimes a comprehensive school problem when they have limited resources or not enough students doing a particular subject

go to basically any govt school in the top ~100 and u have some kids of a standard maths level taking 4u maths

I have a question, why do people even think that a student who has disliked maths for all their lives can come back with a big miracle. I mean as quoted by @Drongoski "Whilst there are exceptions, no amount of teaching ability or interest is going to turn one with little aptitude for maths into one adept at it."

 

[vishnay]

I have a question, why do people even think that a student who has disliked maths for all their lives can come back with a big miracle. I mean as quoted by @Drongoski "Whilst there are exceptions, no amount of teaching ability or interest is going to turn one with little aptitude for maths into one adept at it."

they're deluded

 

[ExtremelyBoredUser]

afaik this is mostly a private school problem and sometimes a comprehensive school problem when they have limited resources or not enough students doing a particular subject

go to basically any govt school in the top ~100 and u have some kids of a standard maths level taking 4u maths

Its the converse for comprehensive, there's kids who are more than capable of 4U and can self-learn effectively but due to limited resources + not much interest from students, they're usually bogged down to 2U. At least where I go this isn't the case since they run classes for 4U/3U even if 1 or 2 people show interest (but they might try to dissuade someone from doing so if thats the instance but won't force them to) however I heard that is the norm for schools that are more lower on the rankings which is unfortunate.

 

[vishnay]

Its the converse for comprehensive, there's kids who are more than capable of 4U and can self-learn effectively but due to limited resources + not much interest from students, they're usually bogged down to 2U. At least where I go this isn't the case since they run classes for 4U/3U even if 1 or 2 people show interest (but they might try to dissuade someone from doing so if thats the instance but won't force them to) however I heard that is the norm for schools that are more lower on the rankings which is unfortunate.

yeah thats why i said

sometimes a comprehensive school problem when they have limited resources or not enough students doing a particular subject

 

[ExtremelyBoredUser]

yeah thats why i said

Yep, I'm just elaborating to give my 2 cents for the circumstances, the whole method in which the school seems to force subjects on students can shine light on other practices/circumstances which seem unfair and need to be addressed

 

[tito981]

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Damn parra marist beating 2 schools within the top 10 school ranks in maths....

 

[BlueGas]

al faisal college is a shit school. they literally pick the subjects for each student depending on thier ability just to sustain their reputation. fraudsters

Well considering how they're not a selective school while JR and BH are, I don't see why this matters.

 

[5uckerberg]

Well considering how they're not a selective school while JR and BH aren't, I don't see why this matters.

FIrst and foremost your statement has a huge flaw. Do you imply al Faisal, Ruse and Baulkham hills are not selective schools. What are you trying the same. You are trying to contrast two or more things when you are trying to say they are all the same.