2024 HSC Chat (2 Viewers)

[AsuTeksu]

I don't really see what the article is trying to argue. It's not the direct cause of inequality.

How can it be argued that it is "unfair" for select students to have access to tutoring?
How can it be argued that it is "unfair" for select students to have more time than others?

The arguments presented in the article is equivalent to someone saying that someone else's job or income is "unfair" when, in fact, that person put in the effort.

As someone who did tutoring to an extent for Mathematics and Chemistry, it is completely possible for people to score high WITHOUT tutoring, so it cannot be argued that it causes inequality.

It is up to the individual to make their situation work. The more excuses that people make, the less change that they'll make for themselves.

Additionally, we don't know the teaching methods of the teachers that have an issue with tutoring centres. Personally, I had a crap Mathematics teacher who never taught so I sought tutoring which eventually led to self-study without tutoring and she didn't like that I knew the content without her since it just showed I didn't need her.

 

[WeiWeiMan]

i'm malding so hard i don't want to spend 3.5 on forest

i swear it was $7

 

[Aeonium]

i swear it was $7

maybe it's a new year deal but I DONGT WANT TO SPEND $$$

 

[Cute-Duckie]

I've bought the pro version of Forest and tbh it was so worth it for me (I think it was around 5AUD but I cant remember), but I did use the app for a bit before I bought pro to test whether I would actually use it into the future or not. Anyway, over one year on from my purchase and it was the best money I ever spent lmao, I personally find it really motivating and love making the garden and seeing my statistics and blah blah blah. Make sure you'll actually use it before you buy it though! But it is cheaper than most other apps which is great )

 

[Cute-Duckie]

I've bought the pro version of Forest and tbh it was so worth it for me (I think it was around 5AUD but I cant remember), but I did use the app for a bit before I bought pro to test whether I would actually use it into the future or not. Anyway, over one year on from my purchase and it was the best money I ever spent lmao, I personally find it really motivating and love making the garden and seeing my statistics and blah blah blah. Make sure you'll actually use it before you buy it though! But it is cheaper than most other apps which is great )

btw the smiley with bracket at the end was meant to be a : ) ) without the spaces so just ignore that

 

[mmmmmmmmaaaaaaa]

I've bought the pro version of Forest and tbh it was so worth it for me (I think it was around 5AUD but I cant remember), but I did use the app for a bit before I bought pro to test whether I would actually use it into the future or not. Anyway, over one year on from my purchase and it was the best money I ever spent lmao, I personally find it really motivating and love making the garden and seeing my statistics and blah blah blah. Make sure you'll actually use it before you buy it though! But it is cheaper than most other apps which is great )

I bought it, used it for about a week and haven't touched it since

 

[Average Boreduser]

I bought it, used it for about a week and haven't touched it since

Me too I feel like deleting it but I feel bad bc I just spent like 7 dollars on the stupid thing

 

[Average Boreduser]

Good rec for a fitness app tho- Strava. Thing rlly makes excercise more fun which I didn't think was possible.

 

[carrotsss]

As someone who did tutoring to an extent for Mathematics and Chemistry, it is completely possible for people to score high WITHOUT tutoring, so it cannot be argued that it causes inequality.

Whilst I obviously believe that tutoring is not necessary since I didn’t do any, I think that it’s disingenuous to say that because of that fact it’s not causing inequality - tutoring does objectively increase student’s results, whether you’re okay with the inequality it causes is a different question

 

[xoNat]

If it doesn't give you any kind of advantage then why would people do it

 

[lolcti]

I’m crying guys I ran out of duolingo hearts that was my longest streak

 

[Masaken]

I’m crying guys I ran out of duolingo hearts that was my longest streak

wait can't u like practise for extra hearts? that's what I do cos this morning I got kicked out of the top 7 leader board and I've been on the grind to climb back up

 

[lolcti]

wait can't u like practise for extra hearts? that's what I do cos this morning I got kicked out of the top 7 leader board and I've been on the grind to climb back up

I didn’t knowwwww

 

[ZakaryJayNicholls]

(you can see the mania & hysteria brought on from depriving myself of social contact & sleep below)

HEY BAES NEW TUTORING DEBATE POSTED BY SMH RAHHH I'M TOO BROKE TO PAY FOR THIS SHIT DISABLE JAVASCRIPT TO READ IT
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...udents-and-undermine-hsc-20231227-p5etx3.html
I DON'T SEE WHY THEY ONLY TARGET TUTORING AND NOT LIKE PRIV SCHOOLS
OMG DR DU MENTIONED RAHHH WTF IS A KIDNEY ??
WONDER IF THERE'S GOING TO BE WHITE KIDS THAT AREN'T FROM SELECTIVES AT DU/ZHANGS ETC. NOW??

"But in competitive environments, like selective schools, it drives that pressure for the highest-performing students to be coached." this is true tho like in '22 & '23 there were a few ppl who joined du even tho they were rly high ranking bcz other ppl were at du

OMG I FOUND A GRAMMAR MISTAKE "for least three hours." I THINK I SHOULD'VE DONE ENG EXT !!

Journalists just don't understand how education & training works.

It should ideally not matter who the students are, the key should be that the most capable and the most available are pushed as far into the most complicated and society changing professions and trades as is possible.

If more capable and available students become doctors/engineers/nurses/teachers because they were pushed to a slightly higher level of competence by a skilled tutor or trainers, the entire society benefits as there are now more doctors/engineers/nurses/teachers, the work of whom builds much of the bedrock of societal living standards.

While it would be nice if the entire society was completely egalitarian and purely merit based (which is likely never entirely possible), it's always better to have younger generations more educated and skilled than their predecessors, especially people in the society changing professions, many of whom are more able to achieve such due to the assistance in part from skilled tutors and trainers.

 

[synthesisFR]

Journalists just don't understand how education & training works.

It should ideally not matter who the students are, the key should be that the most capable and the most available are pushed as far into the most complicated and society changing professions and trades as is possible.

If more capable and available students become doctors/engineers/nurses/teachers because they were pushed to a slightly higher level of competence by a skilled tutor or trainers, the entire society benefits as there are now more doctors/engineers/nurses/teachers, the work of whom builds much of the bedrock of societal living standards.

While it would be nice if the entire society was completely egalitarian and purely merit based (which is likely never entirely possible), it's always better to have younger generations more educated and skilled than their predecessors, especially people in the society changing professions, many of whom are more able to achieve such due to the assistance in part from skilled tutors and trainers.

I agree how do u expect a successful nation when u can do teaching with 60 atar

teaching should be moved up to 95 req and all ass teacher should be kicked out immediately

and there should be a Tate (teaching aptitude test e)

 

[ZakaryJayNicholls]

I agree how do u expect a successful nation when u can do teaching with 60 atar

teaching should be moved up to 95 req and all ass teacher should be kicked out immediately

and there should be a Tate (teaching aptitude test e)

95 is an unnecessarily high cutoff, but 60 is definitely too low.

75-80+ would definitely bring in a slightly more well-organized cohort of students to fields like teaching and nursing and the society would benefit.

 

[liamkk112]

95 is an unnecessarily high cutoff, but 60 is definitely too low.

75-80+ would definitely bring in a slightly more well-organized cohort of students to fields like teaching and nursing and the society would benefit.

my school was the first in nsw to run a future teachers club, basically it allows students to visit other schools and teach classes so they can try out teaching as a profession. this definetly encourages more teachers to enter the workforce, who are genuinely passionate about teaching.

 

[ZakaryJayNicholls]

my school was the first in nsw to run a future teachers club, basically it allows students to visit other schools and teach classes so they can try out teaching as a profession. this definetly encourages more teachers to enter the workforce, who are genuinely passionate about teaching.

That is an interesting initiative.

Unfortunately, the problem is not the teacher numbers entering, it is the number of teachers who leave shortly after starting, as much as 50% of the teaching graduate cohorts leave within 10 years. Around 60% of people who hold teaching degrees or certifications do not work as teachers.

As someone in their 14th year as an educator, I can tell you that the job of teaching/training/tutoring is unendingly harder than people tend to think and is never done as well as it could be.

Regardless, having slightly more well-organized high school entrants/mature aged students will definitely help a little, but the education industry/sector in Australia has a long way to go before it works like it ideally should.

 

[liamkk112]

That is an interesting initiative.

Unfortunately, the problem is not the teacher numbers entering, it is the number of teachers who leave shortly after starting, as much as 50% of the teaching graduate cohorts leave within 10 years. Around 60% of people who hold teaching degrees or certifications do not work as teachers.

As someone in their 14th year as an educator, I can tell you that the job of teaching/training/tutoring is unendingly harder than people tend to think and is never done as well as it could be.

Regardless, having slightly more well-organized high school entrants/mature aged students will definitely help a little, but the education industry/sector in Australia has a long way to go before it works like it ideally should.

i agree, i think teaching is honestly one of the hardest jobs to do well. you have to be extremely patient, have very clear speaking skills, manage varying skill levels of students and so on. but promoting more people into teaching degrees from high school will certainly help improve the situation, as many students might not have considered the path before; despite them having the necessary skills (or will to build them)

 

[lolcti]

I agree how do u expect a successful nation when u can do teaching with 60 atar

teaching should be moved up to 95 req and all ass teacher should be kicked out immediately

and there should be a Tate (teaching aptitude test e)

There already is, some teachers in nsw have to take the Casper test before entering uni, which is a decision making test people use to enter med in Canada and some parts of Australia alongside gamsat postgrad-