The war in Gaza has finished. Should pro-Palestine protests be cancelled and pro-Palestine activist groups finally disband? (1 Viewer)

[SylviaB]

You didn't reply to me

 

[Socialism]

the low quality got me

 

[Interdice]

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I don't even get it. Israelis are literal white supremacists. It's the basis of their entire country. Most of the Jews, including Bibi are athiest, and are in Israel for literally no reason. Like Bibi is Polish, and he claims "israel was given by god". And homosexual marriage is recognized there. If you want to be a f*ggot, just go to Denmark. DOn't do it in the middle east.

India was colonized by white supremacists. Why tf do Indians support that illegitimate country, who's populace got kicked out of every home they once hid? It's so funny watching the vids of INdians being discriminated in Israel, cause they really really deserve it, for defending that white supremacist shithole.

I usually don't cheer for Islamic terrorists, but Hamas is unironically the good guy, and they're just trying to take back their land. Like bruh these guys are fighting white supremacy. No Israeli is even good, cause good Jews aren't Zionist, like if Hamas bombs the fuck out of Tel Aviv, that's a good thing in my book, Idgaf about white supremacists. Like you can't coexist with colonizers, either they leave, or we go the other route.

 

[Interdice]

Also the gays for Palestine is the most retarded movement I've ever heard of. Even the Palestinaisn don't want the support. It's pathetic how much the LGBTQ community panders to people to hate them. Imagine defending people, who would throw you off a roof.

Only reason I support Palestine, is cause I'm homophobic, and think the Sharia law, has some good ideas on how to deal wiht this degeneracy that's infecing peopel.

 

[sethdonno]

australia can't do shit

and basing your policy on <1% of the population attending a protest has nothing to do with "democratic process". And you going to demand the government cuts immigration because thousands of people attended anti-immigration protests?

Comparing the amount of people who have attended anti-immigration protests to those who have attended pro-Palestine protests is frankly insane, I am yet to see a bunch of immigration protestors fill the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Also, if Australia was to incorporate the policies of the anti-immigration protests, our working population would be decimated, there would be a much larger tax burden placed upon the youth and much of the foreign investment within our nation would dissipate.

And, yes those who are publicly engaging in protests take up less than one percent of the Australian population, but you know what other groups are minorities in Australia: those who are homeless (0.5%), veterans (1.8%) and Indigenous peoples (1.8%). And the government supports these people, offering housing, financial support and medical care.

In democracies, governments SHOULD be held responsible by the people and reflect what they desire - where there is evidence of its necessity or benefit.

 

[sethdonno]

Also the gays for Palestine is the most retarded movement I've ever heard of. Even the Palestinaisn don't want the support. It's pathetic how much the LGBTQ community panders to people to hate them. Imagine defending people, who would throw you off a roof.

Only reason I support Palestine, is cause I'm homophobic, and think the Sharia law, has some good ideas on how to deal wiht this degeneracy that's infecing peopel.

Wow what a great person you are. There is a really funny thing where I am pretty sure a lot of Palestinians are currently a bit preoccupied by wanting to survive another day, so I don't think they really have much time to regard someone's sexuality. And I assure you that LGBTQ aren't trying to "pander to people who hate them", one's race doesn't define their sociocultural beliefs. Queer people have faced repression, murder and attacks for centuries, whilst incomparable to the atrocities occurring within Gaza, oppressed peoples typically support others in their fight for freedoms.

And, a bit off topic, but why do you think homosexuality and its associated groups are so bad, why do you even care for that matter, just mind your own business.

 

[Interdice]

> Wow what a great person you are. There is a really funny thing where I am pretty sure a lot of Palestinians are currently a bit preoccupied by wanting to survive another day, so I don't think they really have much time to regard someone's sexuality. And I assure you that LGBTQ aren't trying to "pander to people who hate them", one's race doesn't define their sociocultural beliefs. Queer people have faced repression, murder and attacks for centuries, whilst incomparable to the atrocities occurring within Gaza, oppressed peoples typically support others in their fight for freedoms.

Queer people can and should support Palestine. But I'm unsure why they're flying the gay flag and having the whole "queers for palestine moment". Just support Palestine as an individual

> And, a bit off topic, but why do you think homosexuality and its associated groups are so bad, why do you even care for that matter, just mind your own business.

Cause they're pedophiles who go against freedom of speech. I keep on getting banned, for not supporting these people. r/UNSW is a big example. Tranny f*ggot lecturer, got me banned from the subreddit, while making an empty threat about reporting me to the University. Mos tof UNSW's students are Asian/South Asian, and none of these groups are supporters of LGBTQ, so why do I have to support LGBTQ on the subreddit, when most students at UNSW don't?

This is a very dangerous precident to set. LGBTQ people need to remember that they came from heterosexual people. From heterosexual people. Their relationship is second class to a heterosexual relationship. They shouldn't be allowed to marry, no legitimacy(discrimination laws) should be given to these individuals. Pride month simply shouldn't exist. If you want to be gay fine, but you're on your own.

And minding my own business is hard, when their f*ggot pedo flag is in my shopping centre, at my work and I have to deal with these pedos on reddit talking about molesting non European kids. I'm not gonna shut up, I don't want my kids to be gay. I'll disown them if they're gay.

EDIT: Oh yes. I also forgot to add that the LGBTQ are absolutely DESTROYING European girls, with their woke culture. The poor things have all lost their sex appeal. I have a coworker who is a practicing(I know cause she has 4 siblings) Catholic, and she's so fine. She doens't say any woke shit, and is how a white woman should be.

Asian girls are liked, because they're traditional, European girls should go to Poland or wherever and live in a village until they find they're roots

 

[Interdice]

Comparing the amount of people who have attended anti-immigration protests to those who have attended pro-Palestine protests is frankly insane, I am yet to see a bunch of immigration protestors fill the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Also, if Australia was to incorporate the policies of the anti-immigration protests, our working population would be decimated, there would be a much larger tax burden placed upon the youth and much of the foreign investment within our nation would dissipate.

And, yes those who are publicly engaging in protests take up less than one percent of the Australian population, but you know what other groups are minorities in Australia: those who are homeless (0.5%), veterans (1.8%) and Indigenous peoples (1.8%). And the government supports these people, offering housing, financial support and medical care.

In democracies, governments SHOULD be held responsible by the people and reflect what they desire - where there is evidence of its necessity or benefit.

I'd like to add, that those "Indigenous peoples" are probably white.

 

[enoilgam]

Wow what a great person you are. There is a really funny thing where I am pretty sure a lot of Palestinians are currently a bit preoccupied by wanting to survive another day, so I don't think they really have much time to regard someone's sexuality. And I assure you that LGBTQ aren't trying to "pander to people who hate them", one's race doesn't define their sociocultural beliefs. Queer people have faced repression, murder and attacks for centuries, whilst incomparable to the atrocities occurring within Gaza, oppressed peoples typically support others in their fight for freedoms.

Interdices opinion is exactly why I think "Gay People for Palestine" is just utter stupidity. Having grown up around ethnics my whole life the majority are extremely homophobic and none moreso than the Islamic community. Interdices opinion and words sound harsh, but they align with things Ive heard all my life out of my fellow ethnics. That's what White Aussies dont realise, they flagellate themselves for their homophobia without realising that they arent the worst offenders. White Aussie homophobia = "I dont agree with gay marriage" or "Trans people shouldnt be allowed in womens sport". Ethic homophobia = "I hope they all die", "they are all pedo f***os", "they should be put to death" etc.

I belong to a Queer charity and I have made my opinion clear that the charity should steer clear of aligning itself with pro-Palestine causes for this exact reason. Why the hell would you support people who openly hate you for who you are and advocate for violence against you? The fact they they are being "persecuted" by Israel is even worse - because they will happily accept the support of Queer people when they need it and go right back to persecuting them when they are done. The irony of all this is Israel is probably one of the more supportive of the Queer movement amongst religious nations.

Also note, as Ive said before I support neither Israel or Palestine.

 

[its_ace21]

Interdices opinion is exactly why I think "Gay People for Palestine" is just utter stupidity. Having grown up around ethnics my whole life the majority are extremely homophobic and none moreso than the Islamic community. I belong to a Queer charity and I have made my opinion clear that the charity should steer clear of aligning itself with pro-Palestine causes for this exact reason. Why the hell would you support people who openly hate you for who you are and advocate for violence against you? However, my opinion is the minority in the Queer community which is astounding to me. The irony is Israel is probably one of the more supportive of the Queer movement amongst religious nations.

Also note, as Ive said before I support neither Israel or Palestine.

if you see a homeless person on the street and they needed food, would you deny it to them (or the right to them) because they (for example) did something bad or smth that you dont agree with

I think Palestineans have bigger things to think about than gay people

and not all Palestineans are muslim

 

[enoilgam]

if you see a homeless person on the street and they needed food, would you deny it to them (or the right to them) because they (for example) did something bad or smth that you dont agree with

No I wouldnt, but I wouldnt align my movement to support them neither.

 

[Interdice]

Interdices opinion is exactly why I think "Gay People for Palestine" is just utter stupidity. Having grown up around ethnics my whole life the majority are extremely homophobic and none moreso than the Islamic community. Interdices opinion and words sound harsh, but they align with things Ive heard all my life out of my fellow ethnics. That's what White Aussies dont realise, they flagellate themselves for their homophobia without realising that they arent the worst offenders. White Aussie homophobia = "I dont agree with gay marriage" or "Trans people shouldnt be allowed in womens sport". Ethic homophobia = "I hope they all die", "they are all pedo f***os", "they should be put to death" etc.

I belong to a Queer charity and I have made my opinion clear that the charity should steer clear of aligning itself with pro-Palestine causes for this exact reason. Why the hell would you support people who openly hate you for who you are and advocate for violence against you? The fact they they are being "persecuted" by Israel is even worse - because they will happily accept the support of Queer people when they need it and go right back to persecuting them when they are done. The irony of all this is Israel is probably one of the more supportive of the Queer movement amongst religious nations.

Also note, as Ive said before I support neither Israel or Palestine.

Completely fair for you not to support Palestine. I mean you should, it's the morally right thing, but they wouldn't hesitate to hurt you, so yeah I get it. Same reason I don't support Ukraine, they probably wouldn't kill me, but they've shown open hostility towards people like me. Like you can wish for peace for a region without taking a side, but if one side wants to harm you, there is no sense in supporting that side.

As a non Muslim ethnic, almost spot on about homophobia. South/East Asians don't want to kill you, but they do see you as pedos who want to molest their kids.

I've only met two ethnic LGBTQ supporters my entire life, and one of them was half European. All South/East Asians that I know range from mild distrust towards LGBTQ to disliking it. LGBTQ is not in their culture, so they aren't actively hostile towards LGBTQ people, but they certainly are hostile towards the movement. Gay children would be seen as degenerate pedos in these cultures, and the parents would be subject to backtalking by every single branch of the family.

 

[Interdice]

if you see a homeless person on the street and they needed food, would you deny it to them (or the right to them) because they (for example) did something bad or smth that you dont agree with

Are they drug dealers? Substance abusers? Criminals? Dangerous and mentally ill? Near public schools/areas or my house? If so yes, to encourage them to leave. IN my HS there were real pieces of shit, who I think quite frankly the world would be better off without. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't hoping for. few of them to overdose

There's only one person looking out for you, and that's you. Pragmatically to save as many people as possible, you must save yourself first.

Also nobody really has sympathy for homeless people. I only feel sad for the mentally ill ones, who've completely lost their minds. It's sad to think the old crazy lady on the train, 40 years ago was a young girl who enjoyed hanging out with her friends, had a boyfriend and had her whole future ahead of her.

 

[lolcti]

Interdices opinion is exactly why I think "Gay People for Palestine" is just utter stupidity. Having grown up around ethnics my whole life the majority are extremely homophobic and none moreso than the Islamic community. Interdices opinion and words sound harsh, but they align with things Ive heard all my life out of my fellow ethnics. That's what White Aussies dont realise, they flagellate themselves for their homophobia without realising that they arent the worst offenders. White Aussie homophobia = "I dont agree with gay marriage" or "Trans people shouldnt be allowed in womens sport". Ethic homophobia = "I hope they all die", "they are all pedo f***os", "they should be put to death" etc.

I belong to a Queer charity and I have made my opinion clear that the charity should steer clear of aligning itself with pro-Palestine causes for this exact reason. Why the hell would you support people who openly hate you for who you are and advocate for violence against you? The fact they they are being "persecuted" by Israel is even worse - because they will happily accept the support of Queer people when they need it and go right back to persecuting them when they are done. The irony of all this is Israel is probably one of the more supportive of the Queer movement amongst religious nations.

Also note, as Ive said before I support neither Israel or Palestine.

You’re actually joking, freedom is a RIGHT. Human rights are not conditional on whether a country meets your personal moral compass for the queer community. It’s ironic how you single out “ethnics“ as the problem, that in itself reveals prejudice. Your point is invalid because Australia only legalised same sex marriage in 2017, after decades of queers fighting for rights. Acting like homophobia is stronger elsewhere but ignoring the pain they’ve experienced here is ignorant and saying it’s not “equivalent” to ethnics is pure stupidity. You realise this is a systemic oppression, just like how the queer community was treated. Your argument is so hypocritical because by degrading another community, you’re reinforcing the same hatred and oppression you claim to “oppose.”

 

[enoilgam]

It’s ironic how you single out “ethnics“ as the problem, that in itself reveals prejudice.

No, it reveals a balanced opinion based on fact not ideology. Ive lived experience in ethnic communities and white Australian communities (noting Im from the former). 100% in my experience ethnic communities are far more homophobic then white ones. Check the results of the 2017 Plebiscite - the electorates with the strongest no votes were those with high ethnic populations. It isnt racism to point out that ethnic cultures are far more homophobic then white cultures. Also your argument that Australia only legalised same sex marriage in 2017 is ridiculous - across most of the non-Western world, gay marriage is still not legal. In many it is still a crime, sometimes punishable by death.

You’re actually joking, freedom is a RIGHT. Human rights are not conditional on whether a country meets your personal moral compass for the queer community.

Read what I said, I made it very clear that the Queer community should not tie itself to the pro-Palestine movement. Doesnt mean I dont support their human rights, Im just not going to advocate tying the Queer movement to something wholly opposed to that movement. Part of the issue as to why Queer rights have taken a beating in the last few years is the community's insistence on tying itself with left wing causes and refusing to be pragmatic. As a result, they have lost a lot of Queer role models because they dont neatly fit into the exact, non-core ideology of that movement.

 

[Bendwhat?_over]

Completely fair for you not to support Palestine. I mean you should, it's the morally right thing, but they wouldn't hesitate to hurt you, so yeah I get it. Same reason I don't support Ukraine, they probably wouldn't kill me, but they've shown open hostility towards people like me. Like you can wish for peace for a region without taking a side, but if one side wants to harm you, there is no sense in supporting that side.

As a non Muslim ethnic, almost spot on about homophobia. South/East Asians don't want to kill you, but they do see you as pedos who want to molest their kids.

I've only met two ethnic LGBTQ supporters my entire life, and one of them was half European. All South/East Asians that I know range from mild distrust towards LGBTQ to disliking it. LGBTQ is not in their culture, so they aren't actively hostile towards LGBTQ people, but they certainly are hostile towards the movement. Gay children would be seen as degenerate pedos in these cultures, and the parents would be subject to backtalking by every single branch of the family.

Does it completely evade you that ethnic people are just as likely to be queer as non-ethnic?

Gay children would be seen as degenerate pedos in these cultures, and the parents would be subject to backtalking by every single branch of the family.

Are. We exist.

 

[Interdice]

Does it completely evade you that ethnic people are just as likely to be queer as non-ethnic?

I have to disagree with you on that one. My HS was 65 percent euro. Queer kids were ALL white. Not even a single East Asian one, and East Asians are by far the best assimilated. Certainly no brown ones. My family is massive, and none of the people in it are queer.

My sample size is small, I admit. But I can't agree with ethnic people being just as likely to be queer. Ethnic people can be queer, but it's unlikely.

As an ethnic, homosexuality just isn't in us. WE aren't exposed to it, early, so we never fully legitmize it in our mind. Being gay is something you consciously have to be imo, which why all ethnics are opposed to LGBTQ, because we see the LGBTQ as a threat to our own values, because they are.

Are. We exist

Must be rough. But East Asians barley count as ethnics imo, personally I see them as equal to whites in terms of privilege.

Like you could be an East Asian gay, and get a few funny looks, but try that shit in a middle eastern/South Asian family, and you'll find out quick that love/familial relations are conditional.

 

[SylviaB]

Comparing the amount of people who have attended anti-immigration protests to those who have attended pro-Palestine protests is frankly insane, I am yet to see a bunch of immigration protestors fill the Sydney Harbour Bridge.

Still a miniscule fraction of the population

Also, if Australia was to incorporate the policies of the anti-immigration protests, our working population would be decimated, there would be a much larger tax burden placed upon the youth and much of the foreign investment within our nation would dissipate.

Nobody is investing in Australia because we've got indian dudes doing door dash

And when all those indian dudes grow old without increasing the net fertility rate, that will make Australia's dependency ratio WORSE. So you need to constantly increase the immigration rate to keep the ponzi scheme going.

And, yes those who are publicly engaging in protests take up less than one percent of the Australian population, but you know what other groups are minorities in Australia: those who are homeless (0.5%), veterans (1.8%) and Indigenous peoples (1.8%). And the government supports these people, offering housing, financial support and medical care.

We're not talking about a policy that helps a small fraction of the population on an individual level, we're talking about our entire foreign policy being decided by a tiny fraction, and somehow this being "democratic". A majority of Australians support programs for homeless/veterans/indigenous. That's democratic. The opionion of these groups are neither determining the policies affecting them individually nor a national policy that isn't focused on them (e.g. foreign policy)

In democracies, governments SHOULD be held responsible by the people and reflect what they desire - where there is evidence of its necessity or benefit.

yes dumb dumb, and 'people went to a protest' isn't that. You need scientific surveys of representative samples of the population. And the fact that you think only some protests should influence policy while others shouldn't shows you don't actually care about protests and democracy per se, you just support certain things and will justify the government doing these things any way you can.

And who the hell gets to decide "where there is evidence of its necessity or benefit"? Again, you say this to mean "the government should always introduce the policies I support and never introduce the policies I don't support".

 

[SylviaB]

I don't even get it. Israelis are literal white supremacists. It's the basis of their entire country.

No, they're LITERALLY not. They don't consider themselves white and they hate white people who aren't anti-white. There's nothing they hate more than white people who are pro-white. And even if you think ashkenazi are white, most israelis aren't ashenazi.

Most of the Jews, including Bibi are athiest, and are in Israel for literally no reason. Like Bibi is Polish, and he claims "israel was given by god". And homosexual marriage is recognized there. If you want to be a f*ggot, just go to Denmark. DOn't do it in the middle east.

But let me guess, you cry about palestine's "human rights"?

India was colonized by white supremacists. Why tf do Indians support that illegitimate country, who's populace got kicked out of every home they once hid? It's so funny watching the vids of INdians being discriminated in Israel, cause they really really deserve it, for defending that white supremacist shithole.

I usually don't cheer for Islamic terrorists, but Hamas is unironically the good guy, and they're just trying to take back their land.

Muslims have been invading other countries for 1,400 years and now they want to act like oppressed indigenous people 'taking back their land'

Like bruh these guys are fighting white supremacy. No Israeli is even good, cause good Jews aren't Zionist, like if Hamas bombs the fuck out of Tel Aviv, that's a good thing in my book, Idgaf about white supremacists. Like you can't coexist with colonizers, either they leave, or we go the other route.

They're not "colonizers", they're people who engaged in conquest, same thing muslims did for 1,400 years. No muslim anywhere has ever apologized or even pretended to feel bad about this history, and would still be engaged in conquest to this day if they're weren't so backward and weak. I don't support israel but it's dumb to play the victim here.

 

[SylviaB]

You’re actually joking, freedom is a RIGHT. Human rights are not conditional on whether a country meets your personal moral compass for the queer community. It’s ironic how you single out “ethnics“ as the problem, that in itself reveals prejudice. Your point is invalid because Australia only legalised same sex marriage in 2017, after decades of queers fighting for rights. Acting like homophobia is stronger elsewhere but ignoring the pain they’ve experienced here is ignorant and saying it’s not “equivalent” to ethnics is pure stupidity. You realise this is a systemic oppression, just like how the queer community was treated. Your argument is so hypocritical because by degrading another community, you’re reinforcing the same hatred and oppression you claim to “oppose.”

The issue is not that palestine simply doesn't "legalise same sex marriage".....you know that right?

Like you cannot be yapping about human rights and then be defending this lmao

Scholar Timea Spitka stated that in Gaza police do not act against queerphobic violence, domestic violence is not criminalized, and civil society organizations, which protect women and children, are reported to be "vulnerable to attack." Spika added, in a related article, that this vulnerability has "been exploited by Israel," noting a connection between the Israeli occupation, lack of security and protection for women and non-heterosexual people, and lack of rule of law.[21][22] In 2019, Haaretz interviewed four gay men and one gay woman living in Gaza, who recounted their experiences: one man recounted his rough treatment by Hamas members, while others said they feared being arrested, outed, then forced into heterosexual marriage by their families. All four said that social media was a "game changer" in meeting other LGBTQ individuals, but some feared catfishing by undercover Hamas or Israeli intelligence agents.[23] Gay men who flirt with Israeli soldiers on dating apps, worry about being catfished by Hamas's security services.