Can top selective school kids get the lowest ATARs? (1 Viewer)

[s_0]

this might sound unrealistic but is it possible for kids who go to the toppest of the schools in nsw (ruse, nsb, baulko, top 10 private, etc.) to get atars between like the 30s and 60s? cus they have rly strong cohorts and i feel stupid tryna get a 99+ atar at my shitty 200 school (whilst being mid rank in my subjects) whereas i was always taught that these dumbest of these top school kids dont even have to lift a finger in the hsc and can still get a 90+ atar

 

[ermmmmwhat]

aside from being in a good cohort that can pull u up, i think a lot of these kids are academically conditioned in a very rigorous way. so their definition of 'not lifting a finger' would be our definition of working incredibly hard, if that makes sense.

 

[idkkdi]

this might sound unrealistic but is it possible for kids who go to the toppest of the schools in nsw (ruse, nsb, baulko, top 10 private, etc.) to get atars between like the 30s and 60s? cus they have rly strong cohorts and i feel stupid tryna get a 99+ atar at my shitty 200 school (whilst being mid rank in my subjects) whereas i was always taught that these dumbest of these top school kids dont even have to lift a finger in the hsc and can still get a 90+ atar

it would be pretty exceptional circumstances or a complete lack of effort

in any case, ordinarily 30-60 is a lack of effort or misdirected effort

 

[SoakingWet56]

this might sound unrealistic but is it possible for kids who go to the toppest of the schools in nsw (ruse, nsb, baulko, top 10 private, etc.) to get atars between like the 30s and 60s? cus they have rly strong cohorts and i feel stupid tryna get a 99+ atar at my shitty 200 school (whilst being mid rank in my subjects) whereas i was always taught that these dumbest of these top school kids dont even have to lift a finger in the hsc and can still get a 90+ atar

It can actually be very possible, just because their cohort is strong doesn't mean they will get good marks.

I know someone who got 99+ atar and was one of the ONLY few to ever get an atar that high in all the years . Because of them their school got boosted from around the 300s to around the 100, many students are similar but this guy was INSANELY smart and he did get 99+ and not many people in the school.
+ He got higher than many kids in selective schools
You're not stupid man, your ambitious and that actually a very good thing.
And I see your hsc is in 2027? If you put the right year?
If so, you have TIME to boost your rank, it's only been a term of year 11 that isn't always a clear indicator.

 

[s_0]

From my school, someone did get 92.80 ATAR (my school is really really bad). They did get rank 1st in all their subjects (I think for English they probably got 2nd. I got 84.30 ATAR despite being 2nd in nearly every subject (except for English). I did work very, very hard - studied 9 hours in some days only to get ATAR in the 80s. Unfortunately, that's what it is like when you have to deal with teachers who don't actually teach, can't even complete content before trials, use AI to mark assessments after 17 weeks, or are too busy socialising and talking about celebrities while listening to songs instead of giving feedback (then blame the class for "lack" of studying angrily - as if they actually put effort).

Sorry, just wanted dump my hate for my school.

To answer your question: Yes, it is. You will have to be ranked pretty much last though.

I read that some people get 95+ATAR by just studying 1 hour a day (how??). They gave probably one of the best advice: if you didn't make mistakes or note down any issues with questions - then you probably did not learn effectively.

Don't spend too much time making notes (you don't really need notes - you have textbook). Focus on solving as many problems that you actually find challenging. This is what helped me do better in university, unlike in high school. Your only notes should be on mistakes rather than just content.

holy shit i fear my school might be like this
what rank is ur school around

 

[RZ1234]

this might sound unrealistic but is it possible for kids who go to the toppest of the schools in nsw (ruse, nsb, baulko, top 10 private, etc.) to get atars between like the 30s and 60s? cus they have rly strong cohorts and i feel stupid tryna get a 99+ atar at my shitty 200 school (whilst being mid rank in my subjects) whereas i was always taught that these dumbest of these top school kids dont even have to lift a finger in the hsc and can still get a 90+ atar

James Ruse for sure has no atar below 80. Median atar high 90s, average high 90s.

 

[s_0]

James Ruse for sure has no atar below 80. Median atar high 90s, average high 90s.

we live in an era where skills and experience is more important than academics

 

[RZ1234]

we live in an era where skills and experience is more important than academics

holy cope. Academics are there to filter out dumb people. Dumb people will do worse, regardless of "experience" or "skills"

Do you know why medicine needs a 99 atar or higher, or even GAMSAT?

They don't want stupid people operating on people in the operating room, or giving fake advice, simple as that.

 

[SoakingWet56]

From my school, someone did get 92.80 ATAR (my school is really really bad). They did get rank 1st in all their subjects (I think for English they probably got 2nd. I got 84.30 ATAR despite being 2nd in nearly every subject (except for English). I did work very, very hard - studied 9 hours in some days only to get ATAR in the 80s. Unfortunately, that's what it is like when you have to deal with teachers who don't actually teach, can't even complete content before trials, use AI to mark assessments after 17 weeks, or are too busy socialising and talking about celebrities while listening to songs instead of giving feedback (then blame the class for "lack" of studying angrily - as if they actually put effort).

Sorry, just wanted dump my hate for my school.

To answer your question: Yes, it is. You will have to be ranked pretty much last though.

I read that some people get 95+ATAR by just studying 1 hour a day (how??). They gave probably one of the best advice: if you didn't make mistakes or note down any issues with questions - then you probably did not learn effectively.

Don't spend too much time making notes (you don't really need notes - you have textbook). Focus on solving as many problems that you actually find challenging. This is what helped me do better in university, unlike in high school. Your only notes should be on mistakes rather than just content.

Ngl this is pretty solid advice. At the start of the term I made the mistake of trying to make notes but it ended up taking more time that I couldve used to study more things or learn it more effectively.

And yeah, I also went through the EXACT same thing with some of my teachers. one of my teachers he graded us randomly using AI, and also used AI to write our report comments and he was not the nicest asw.
+ ik he didnt know anything about the subject, but I could never prove it

 

[berryry]

is nsb coming rank 1 again this year

 

[WeiWeiMan]

holy shit i fear my school might be like this
what rank is ur school around

It honestly doesn’t matter what rank your school is

is nsb coming rank 1 again this year

Obvously

 

[RZ1234]

I read that some people get 95+ATAR by just studying 1 hour a day (how??).

High IQ : IQ > 130
IQ, which includes memory, correlates with speeds you learn things at.

 

[Trebla]

this might sound unrealistic but is it possible for kids who go to the toppest of the schools in nsw (ruse, nsb, baulko, top 10 private, etc.) to get atars between like the 30s and 60s? cus they have rly strong cohorts and i feel stupid tryna get a 99+ atar at my shitty 200 school (whilst being mid rank in my subjects) whereas i was always taught that these dumbest of these top school kids dont even have to lift a finger in the hsc and can still get a 90+ atar

Just like how a student can get 99+ ATAR in a very low-ranked school as an outlier, it is absolutely possible for a student get <60 ATAR in a very high-ranked school as an outlier.

holy cope. Academics are there to filter out dumb people. Dumb people will do worse, regardless of "experience" or "skills"

Do you know why medicine needs a 99 atar or higher, or even GAMSAT?

They don't want stupid people operating on people in the operating room, or giving fake advice, simple as that.

To get into medicine, applicants have to pass an interview. ATAR alone won't cut it. Experience/skills matter a lot as well. They don't want people who have zero social/interpersonal skills when dealing with a patient.

Also, medicine has a very strong emphasis in getting students practical experience to become a qualified doctor. If you only know how to study the theory but don't know how to practically use the tools on the operating table or compassionately communicate with patients when they're in their most vulnerable state, then you will fail.

we live in an era where skills and experience is more important than academics

Can confirm this is definitely true in the real world. Academics only matter a lot during high school and uni years. When it comes to real world employment, employers always look for someone with good balance between skills/experience and academics. However, if employers can't find someone who is good at both, they would typically prefer skills/experience >>> academics (then academics becomes irrelevant once you're in the workforce for a while). That extra-curricular stuff matters a lot during your uni years, because that is what makes up for a lack of employment experience when you look for a graduate job.

If you can't communicate well, cannot present in front of an audience or have at least some leadership experience then you will not get hired by any highly reputable employer, even if you have a HD average. On the flip side, if you have all these skills but failed your uni subjects then you won't get hired either.

 

[SoakingWet56]

Why are people so obsessed with IQ scores? Does a high IQ mean you win life or something?

I am going to like speaking abt this one! High IQ is actually good as it means you can learn alot of stuff and like and smart n whatever but it doesn;t mean u win in life. THere is so many people with IQs not good that are successful and many people with high IQ's that don't do really well. REMEMBER: SUCCESS ISN'T DETERMINED BY IQ, ITS DETERMINED BY ACTION.

 

[ermmmmwhat]

good work mods

 

[Successful Entrepreneur]

NSB 2027 are cooked, along with SB 2027, and Baulkahm Hills 2027

Half of a lot of this stupid people dont even belong here, like NSB got 2 ATARS below 70 last year

And Ruse is just a girl and boy interaction place for the nerds

 

[RZ1234]

NSB 2027 are cooked, along with SB 2027, and Baulkahm Hills 2027

Half of a lot of this stupid people dont even belong here, like NSB got 2 ATARS below 70 last year

And Ruse is just a girl and boy interaction place for the nerds

yo sucess how do you know 2 people got below 70?

I know the name of one, but there's another one? (that guy was nepo'd in cause he's a staff's son)

I feel like that's an exaggeration cause their averages are still in the high 80s to low 90s



Wheras at UNSW, half the peop;e are ijternationals, and atl;east half of the internationals defimitely do not belomng there, along with a significant [ortiom of gateway kids who literally score 15 or more atar points lower than everyone else.

They literally dumbed down the exams at UNSW so these people could pass easier, such as all exams being question banked, meaning they literally give you the questions before the exam, that will be tested again in the exam