Just thought I should say- newbie to oldie- that it is insane how we can disagree on every point under the sun (or just in the politics section) and yet i can see the sense in your arguments. You provide reason to the unreasonable. Now, when you're a self-styled 'ecclesiastical die-hard', then rants from unbelievers like me are easy to come by. So take this rave and run with it. I will always need an intelligent person to debate with, so keep up the good work.