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Intrinsically that is the case. However, that system brings certain connotations. These connotations do tell us how we should live. There is an entire industry telling us how we should live. Consume, consume, consume! Work hard and one day you too can be a millionaire! Hey! Put down that Howard...

Thanks. I see your point, and it does seem hypocritical. However, it is possible to live in the system and simultaneously be against the system. I would like to see it suffer and die, as people needn't live their lives in chains from the cradle to the grave, as the system promotes. Any system...

Well I guess most people are indoctrinated to the point where they believe that the road to happiness lies in keeping up with the Joneses. Not everybody thinks that the system has an obligation to support them.

^ Wait, are you under the assumption that I'm lazy and unwilling to work or something? Not true. I'm saying that if work cannot be found, people deserve to be given the basics until they can find work. This is becoming inflated.

I'm forced to be a part of the system. I don't have an obligation to support it, but however it has an obligation to support me. I didn't choose to live in a society where I can be thrown in jail for growing pot, nor did I choose to be forced into 10 years of authoritarian brainwashing...

The tax workers pay (which I would agree is pretty much theft) does assist them to some extent. I'm (and countless others in my situation) only producing demand for economic welfare because the government and/or the capitalist system has failed to provide me with work. Welfare is only enough to...

Deal. As long as we can convince the workers in your communities to unionise.

Hey come on man, I can admit when I don't know enough about something to give a reasonable answer - more than most people on these boards. I also remember defending your ass from rabid douchebags at least once on another thread. But, dude, I don't give a fuck about debating capitalism vs...

Isn't the government profiting from giving me welfare? Without it, I wouldn't be able to go to university, and get a higher paying job and thus pay more tax.

Yes, this is the fundamental problem. For the state to be eliminated, the majority of the populace would have to be anti-statist, and thus support the same values as most Anarchists. Hypothetically, we end up with a whole lot of people who support liberty, equality and the absence of hierarchy...

The key distinction I think we can both agree on is the state, which is restrictive economically, regardless of the particular system. I'm not going to defend a Socialist state, just as I won't defend a Capitalist state. What all those states have in common is exploitation by an authoritarian...

^ Huh? You haven't even answered my question dude. If you want to live under some arbitrary hierarchy be my guest.

ITT: Proponent of mass murder, illegal occupation and an open air jail tries to divert attention from Israel's horrendous crimes, then claims anti-Semitism. Nothing to see here guys.

^ I have no qualms with taking the wealth they took from their workers and giving it back to them. Really, this whole issue is more about personal ethics than the intricacies of economics. I don't think it's right for someone to work for somebody else, and the employer to then receive a...

From an economic perspective I don't know the answer to this, to be honest. However, from a sociological perspective, hierarchy is unnecessary and restrictive. 'Management' is necessary, but those in that role needn't receive more than others. What's your answer to the question you posed?

^ What? Is being anti-capitalist so crazy a notion? Fuck them all. Anti-capitalist: 'Everyone should have a decent standard of life and be treated like a human being.' Capitalist: 'Lol!11!!!'

Uhh, where do I start? - Exploit workers (even the most well paid employee is being paid less than his value, and the product of his labour he neither owns nor is compensated properly for) - Make too much money, and have too many tax breaks/tax loopholes - Have a fuckload of influence...

Yes, because mining companies make too much money.

How so?

Abbott's a right-wing conservative bible-thumping pro-big business fuckwit.