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Then she's a fuckwit. Many males are just as stupid.

I don't know any woman who goes to a tailor to have a dress made, I'm sorry. That would cost more than one off the shelf.

Oh she will, will she? Maybe she'll demand one, to protect HER assets. Unless you want your wife to be one of those without a job, totally financially reliant on you, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, blah blah.

Maybe for men and suits, but certainly not for women and day/nightware.

Then you wouldn't buy the Zegna suit. Buy an Armani that is super 150 wool, stitched, and looks damned good to boot.

And of course all of that would happen because they had pre-marital sex and she had a liking for quality clothing, right?

You don't really get biology, do you? The hormones govern romantic attachment - arousal too, yes, to a certain extent, but mostly that fuzzy-wuzzy-cuddly sense of intimacy you get with your long term sexual partner. Your youth pastor is probably a virgin who has no idea what he is talking...

Or that "designer" clothes are much higher quality, in general, than "non-designer" clothing. That might be a factor.

No, but it does contribute to (or perhaps create, it's not clear yet) those feelings of attachment with a partner you have had sex with repeatedly. Of course, it operates in this fashion in conjunction with other hormones (i.e. serotonin) associated with romantic love, so it doesn't apply in...

None of them are more likely? You really are stereotyping (and I love it how you only use females as examples), without having much consideration to individual circumstance (and a poor grasp of statistics). Look, it's biology. Sex/orgasm releases a hormone called oxytocin, which is involved...

I kind of agree with the smoking thing. I'd never date a guy who was a smoker, largely because I find it so profoundly disgusting.

Sex will do more for that than abstinence therefrom. Are you that insecure that you'd have to worry about that? If you're so afraid of that, then wait for a month or three THEN start a sexual relationship. How? What's so morally wrong/unethical about sex? What they don't know won't...

Why is abstinence before marriage so important for you, then, if her virginity (and presumably yours) is not a prerequisite?

Which is why I don't have any sympathy for him, just the situation.

So if she's perfect in all other regards and then you discover she's not a virgin on the wedding night you'd dump her like yesterday's news?

Agreed :o

And if he hadn't have done that, his constituents would have hounded him for not being aggressive enough. My dad beat him up in high school.

I was more talking about hiring. Only the independents really care if their staff have knowledge about/are passionate about books (or for say Galaxy, passionate for the genre).

Re: utegate- sympathy for tunrbull Yeah, he was kind of caught between a rock and a hard place. I don't personally much like Turnbull, but... eh.

Having to play an instrument is a big point that cannot be compromised on? Wow dude, have fun being a bachelor for the rest of your life.