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the EARLIEST of them is written 40 years after the event, and that's if the date for the event we're given is even accurate.

Ok but you were seeming to use the quote to perpetuate a load of BS.

Number one, quote everything that I said. My point is that he comes into our discussion, he may have presented an acceptable argument, but then he doesn't even acknowledge the (imo) better counter-arguments and goes as far as to claim his argument is beyond those whom made the counter-argument...

Err actually it does, everywhere where there is a conflict of interest between the koran/hadiths and the bible, you will side on the side of the koran/hadiths - right? How come everyone sucks up to buddhism? Is it because heaps of cool celebrities come out as buddhists? What is it? What's so...

What are you talking about you arrogant little piece of shit? You come into this thread, and just go 'lolz u guys are too stoopid to understand me, i am teh smart' while ignoring some pretty clever counter-arguments. You need to stop calling everyone else stupid and actually try to improve your...

No one is saying you don't have the right to be a muslim or a christian or whatever, but when you start to associate yourself with a group / ideal or whatever... then you will be judged on that.

The fact that Islam is a belief and not a nationality opens it up to scrutiny more. People can't choose their race, people pretty much can't choose their nationality - but people can choose their religion. As for why do Muslims get branded and not other people, I would contend that all people...

Another theist who is a 'misunderstood' genius. Join the club with sam.

I did answer his... I said 'I don't know', but I then went on to point out the reason I don't know is because this is what happens when you start believing in supernatural things.

I don't know man! My example was purely to show that you just cannot know when you're dealing with these supernatural things. What? Blah blah blah...

She just feels some religions have committed less attrocities than others, that doesn't mean she's more inclined to accept God from them unless you want to use a total stretch of the imagination. You're wrong.

I don't see a contradiction in what she said myself. She said... she doesn't mind buddhism etc, because she percieves them as not being as violent as christianity etc. She isn't agreeing with their views on the existance of God, she's just saying that she doesn't mind as much the way they...

Of course it's only under certain stances lol Also, what you call 'wrong doings' are often ridiculous things (by our current standards).

Well different religions do have different attributes, so it is ok imo to support one religion and not another. However I would say the premise she used, that their religions don't lookdown on others, convert people, and create violence is wrong.

Yea I find it really odd that people can read the story and not realise what it's about. My little brother, he's 14, he said to me the other day (we don't talk about this sorta stuff)... cuz he goes to the christian school I used to go to. "The bible just seems so much like a little kids story...

Not really, there's people all across the world today claiming to see god/mary. I watched a show a little while ago with a woman who claims jesus is in her door, it has two of those... you know circle things from when they cut the wood, and they look like eyes to her - thus - jesus. Cheese...

What do you mean? If not supernatural belief than natural belief. As for putting your 'hope' into it... like I don't even understand what that means, hope for what? Hope for a life after death? There are ways to deal with it and I would contest that religion doesn't really help people to deal...

Yea that's exactly what i'm trying to point out. When you have these supernatural beliefs all that you in the end are basing them on are what you feel.... now can't you go a step further and say 'well believing in things because it feels right isn't really a very smart idea' and at least become...

So anyway, anyone wanna answer me that... how are u so sure that the devil didn't write the bible/ koran etc. Maybe God, the 'thing' that created the universe has left us all these clues (naturalism, science) but instead we're falling prey to a stupid trick based on nothing, performed by the...

I dun get what's so 'flawed' about 'sociobiology', care to tell me sam?