Abortion debate (3 Viewers)

[katie_tully]

Contrary to popular belief, it isn't as easy to get an abortion as many claim it is. This pill presented a more accesible, safer way to have an abortion and frankly I think it jolted Brian Harradine when he first banned it.

I honestly don't see the rate of abortion increasing with the implementation of this pill.

 

[Phanatical]

If it were only available by prescription then it would be most beneficial. The implications for health are significant (I won't say it's a "benefit", since abortion Does involve the termination of Life), reducing risk to the Mother. But it should only be available upon a prescription by a trained medical professional - and if possible (keeping in mind rural areas), with a visit to a counselor.

If it becomes over-the-counter, the implications become more dangerous. Putting aside the obvious moral issues, what if a jealous woman were to grind the drug into somebody's food? A father who doesn't want to be tied down to a lifetime of paying more than half his income to the woman? A mother could be aborting her baby without knowing it.

 

[Generator]

RU-486 over the counter? Tony Abbott would be proud, Phanatical.

 

[ogmzergrush]

If it were only available by prescription then it would be most beneficial. The implications for health are significant (I won't say it's a "benefit", since abortion Does involve the termination of Life), reducing risk to the Mother. But it should only be available upon a prescription by a trained medical professional - and if possible (keeping in mind rural areas), with a visit to a counselor.

If it becomes over-the-counter, the implications become more dangerous. Putting aside the obvious moral issues, what if a jealous woman were to grind the drug into somebody's food? A father who doesn't want to be tied down to a lifetime of paying more than half his income to the woman? A mother could be aborting her baby without knowing it.

I also think coathangers should be prescription only.

 

[stainmepink]

a woman shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion. we should lock up our women who have had an abortion and put them on criminal charges!!!

thank jesus for providing us with Abbott! He will keep our old society family values intact, and women will no longer kill children ever again Abbott is the bestest christian ever!

 

[ur_inner_child]

a woman shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion. we should lock up our women who have had an abortion and put them on criminal charges!!!

thank jesus for providing us with Abbott! He will keep our old society family values intact, and women will no longer kill children ever again Abbott is the bestest christian ever!

troll .

 

[stainmepink]

troll .

calm down i'm sarcastic. i hate abbott

 

[Phanatical]

I also think coathangers should be prescription only.

Maybe Pregnancy should be prescription only. If they're in a position where they are actually considering a coathanger, then they are almost certainly not in a position to have gotten pregnant in the first place.

Making the abortion drug available over-the-counter might put an end to coathanger abortions, but all that does is make murder easy. Mothers (and fathers where possible) should be made to consider the ramifications of their actions, to weigh up the potential benefits with the potential risks and moral issues. They need to take responsibility for their actions, and the consequences of those actions.

Society should work to prevent people being put in a position where they even have to consider abortion. While I believe that for a 12 year old to carry a baby to term is as much a tragedy as a 12 year old having an abortion, I think the biggest tragedy is that the 12 year old was even forced to consider it. That 12 year old should behave like a 12 year old, taught like a 12 year old, and disciplined like a 12 year old. The 12 year old should have a bedtime, not a bed buddy. The fact that the 12 year old got pregnant in the first place is the real tragedy.

Making the abortion drug prescription only is an important and essential measure in preventing further harm later. Abbott makes a good point about the need for medical supervision and physical danger in any abortion - but I think the bigger issue is the psychological damage - and a doctor is far more equipped to guide a young mother through these issues. An alternative is to provide training for the Chemist to discuss the implications of the Abortion drug, instructions on its safe use, and information on what to do and who to call if something goes wrong. Again, it's important that there is some face-to-face contact between mother and professional, because the potential for abuse by third parties remains present without it.

 

[katie_tully]

You do of course know why it is people resort to the "coat hanger" option? It's because people like yourself, and our dear friend Abbott call for an out right ban on abortion, thus effectively ending the access to safe and specialised abortions.
Nobody is so stupid as to suggest that the drug should be readily available to anybody. That is why one doctor has insisted on compulsory ultrasounds before administering the drug. You actually have to prove that you are pregnant before you access the drug, and it can only be administered in the presence of a medical professional.

The fact that we're even having to debate that amazes me.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

You actually have to prove that you are pregnant before you access the drug, and it can only be administered in the presence of a medical professional.

What is the problem then? It seems just another form of abortion.
Unless there are some kind of radical side effects?

 

[katie_tully]

The problem is anti abortionists going on these rampages saying that the drug will be misused. There are already a number of substances you can spike food or drinks with that could encourage a spontaneous abortion or miscarriage. Trying to use arguments like that to keep the drug banned is outrageous.

You wouldn't be able to just buy the drug and take it when you feel like it, let alone administer it to somebody else. It doesn't happen over seas so why the hell would it happen here.

 

[ogmzergrush]

t doesn't happen over seas so why the hell would it happen here.

The religious nutcases say so, it must be true!

 

[katie_tully]

Ahh. It all makes sense now. I guess they'd know, they know everything else.

 

[Phanatical]

They know not to get themselves pregnant.

 

[ur_inner_child]

They know not to get themselves pregnant.

what do you think of 35-48 year old couples, who already have several children having abortions?

considering that's the age range for the majority of people who actually have abortions...

abstinence? or forking out extra money to get themselves tied up?

just a question

 

[Phanatical]

Morally, a vasectomy/tubal litigation is the right approach. The most important issue to consider is that the unborn child is STILL A LIVING BEING with the potential of developing sentience. None of what I've said is about stopping people from having the abortions, but rather from stopping people getting into a position where they have to consider abortion. In the simplest sense, "Prevention" rather than "Cure" - because that's one helluva way to cure the condition.

 

[ogmzergrush]

Morally, a vasectomy/tubal litigation is the right approach. The most important issue to consider is that the unborn child is STILL A LIVING BEING with the potential of developing sentience. Let's not forget that.

Jesus doesn't like people having their bodies mutilated

 

[Phanatical]

Jesus can go fuck himself.

 

[gerhard]

good post.

if i had to make a greatest hits compilation of phanatical's posts, i'd have that one as track number 1, and the rest just some filler. and maybe a track number 1 remix at the end.

 

[katie_tully]

They know not to get themselves pregnant.

I've restrained myself for quite some time. But I just can't anymore.

You. Are. A fucking idiot. No, honestly, you are. And I'm not just saying that because it has a nice ring to it, you really are so fucking stupid that descriptive words fail to meet the standard of stupid that you are.
People do not intentionally get pregnant. Accidents happen. It's unrealistic and completely stupid to expect that people do not have sex. Everybody knows that the only way to not get pregnant is to not have sex. NO SHIT SHERLOCK.
People don't just have an abortion on the whim you gronk. These stupid "reckless" girls aren't going .."Wow I'm pregnant...HEY LET'S TERMINATE!", infact statistically more teenage girls have babies than they do abortions. It's actually married women with children who account for the majority of abortions in Australia. And here you are, suggesting they don't have sex, and if they do and fall pregnant they shouldn't have the right to decide?

You do not have a uterus. You're telling us you're not having sex until you're married and have children. GOOD! THE FUCKING ABORTION DEBATE DOES NOT INVOLVE YOU THEN, DOES IT?! NO! Keep your own god damn opinions to yourself then, because the actions and situations of other people do not concern you! In any sense! If I have an abortion tomorrow it's not going to effect you, in any sense!

SO FUCK OFF.