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yeah actuaries get screwed in terms of salary lol. which is a shame since the exams are fairly hard to pass. But I guess its like with CPAs in the U.S., the first time pass rate for all modules is like 5% and they get paid shit as well

Actuarial salaries are a myth perpetuated by Actuarial departments across Australia. Especially, with the oversupply of actuarial grads.
Yeah very true I remember back in Yr 12 all the kids were like "oh my god do actuary it pays the highest". LOL
 

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Mathematics is the tool of creation (in Physics, Finance, Economics, etc).

Actuarial Studies teaches mathematical techniques in the same way Engineering does -> Formula & Application.
 
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A friend of mine got a grad job at an actuarial firm and is getting about 58K base.
hey 58k outta graduation is pretty good...

which firm is it?
 

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Yeah 58k is pretty good, way more than my starting salary

But I do feel its still a bit of a rip off, considering (so I've heard) the immense difficulty of completing an actuarial degree with decent marks, compared with accounting. But still 58k is above the average aussie salary.
 

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but i guess you gotta compare it to the difficulty of the work and the long hours - i dont know if it really is worth it. if you enjoy maths and modelling it'd be good but otherwise going into it for the money isnt the smartest thing.
 

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Minai said:
Yeah 58k is pretty good, way more than my starting salary

But I do feel its still a bit of a rip off, considering (so I've heard) the immense difficulty of completing an actuarial degree with decent marks, compared with accounting. But still 58k is above the average aussie salary.
You probably don't consider yourself an average Aussie in the first place.
 

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but i guess you gotta compare it to the difficulty of the work and the long hours - i dont know if it really is worth it. if you enjoy maths and modelling it'd be good but otherwise going into it for the money isnt the smartest thing.
Long hours? Hardly.
 

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im not talking about long hours every week of the year but i consider 50+++ hours a week in short sustained periods long hours.
 

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well for the actuarial grads i see at work

they probably only work abt 8 hrs a day which is pretty much standard.. maybe the occasional late night
 

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Ahahaha.
Two sylables to fuck you all over: In-dia: Millions of maths-ready niggas ready to model what their mother gave them.

I was talking to a senior finance lecturer, who wishes to remain annonymous, today who said that universities are being told to change their finance programs to take much of the manual maths away from finance.

Peace out <3
 

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Wolfowitz said:
Ahahaha.
Two sylables to fuck you all over: In-dia: Millions of maths-ready niggas ready to model what their mother gave them.

I was talking to a senior finance lecturer, who wishes to remain annonymous, today who said that universities are being told to change their finance programs to take much of the manual maths away from finance.

Peace out <3
Outsourcing actuarial grunt work to India has already been addressed by the Institute of Actuaries Australia in its monthly magazine. It's not a viable option at the moment as there aren't enough experienced and qualified actuaries in India, and because they lack the local knowledge of laws and accepted methods. India's whole education system is geared towards IT atm.

Arithmetic calculations (computational gruntwork) is different from real maths. It's just a way for students to demonstrate they know and understand formulas/equations. There are many Finance courses available at UNSW that involve the use of spreadsheets/VBA macros, so maybe it's just USyd lagging behind.

Students, researchers and lecturers who do Commerce only are at a significant disadvantage as in the end you need the real maths as tools to do the modelling. For example, you can't price derivatives without picking up some knowledge on stochastic processes.

Wolfowitz, if you plan to read or do any serious work/research, you will eventually have to learn it. You probably are some dumb arse Geneal Maths student.
 
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Er nope. Around 40k actually.
QED Salary survey from last year found the average for Actuarial graduates to be 55k. This year it would be around the same.

I haven't heard of anyone accepting less than 50k this year. The big 4 are paying Actuarial grads ~60k. Finity Consulting is paying 67-70k. Actuarials going into IB are getting even more.

I don't think any actuarial grad would touch 40k with a 10 ft stick.
 

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thats pretty good for grads

in melb its like a 38K average since theres like less than 10 actuarial grad jobs every year and most end up in retail banking or something.

although most actuaries stagnate in terms of salary a few years after becoming a FIAA, i've heard theres some good opportunites further up like at towers perrin tillinghast where some dudes get like 700 an hour
 
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