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this is all opinion

post up ur hip hop albums which u think are > illmatic


mine:

jay-z - reasonable doubt
mobb deep - the infamous
raekwon - only built for cuban linx
the roots - do you want more
biggie - ready to die


long shot, but little brother's 'the listening' might edge it out too
 

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jeez hiphop stop creating ur hip/hop/rnb threads tehres 2 many...

ne way trance music pawns all
 

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illmatic>jay-z

jay z is shit how can u like him?


Nas - Street's Disciple>illmatic
 

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yeha hip hop, ur make threads all about the same shit everytime.......tad annoying
 
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7th Sign said:
illmatic>jay-z

jay z is shit how can u like him?


Nas - Street's Disciple>illmatic


have u heard jay-z's first tow albums, the black album and the blueprint? or just his singles?

wtf i mean i love illmatic i think its overrated though but wtf SD is SHIT
 

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hiphophorray123 said:
have u heard jay-z's first tow albums, the black album and the blueprint? or just his singles?

wtf i mean i love illmatic i think its overrated though but wtf SD is SHIT
yeah like 50% not good

but 50% is good

its better then illmatic
 
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when i heard the intro and message to the feds i was like 'yeah issac hayesssssss wopoohoooo this shit sounds like it could be 2x illmatic' after the first few songs it got crap...fast....picked up with suicide bounce and thieves theme...then dropped...sampling lionel richie on sekou story was a crap idea...'just a moment' was good too
 
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7th Sign said:
illmatic>jay-z

jay z is shit how can u like him?


Nas - Street's Disciple>illmatic
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LOL AT U CLOWN!

Congratulations noone will take anything you say seriously ever again.
 

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w1ck3d_c10wn said:
jay z more like gay z


ohlol hilarious
Weneva wicked clown is commenting on a rap thread u know hes bein a dickhead (not much change from the usual im sure)
 

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Nah. To me Illmatic is much more of a solid album than the one's you just mentioned. The production is just so ill, and the way Nas supplement's it with his tight flow just makes it a real nice chill out, but introspective album. Though the only flaw is the fact that it only contains 9 songs which is pretty much a little too small.
I prefer Illmatic over RD because JAy's flow seems really off in some of his songs. But in other songs he just completely shines like a beacon [Brooklyn's Finest]. The production didn't really do it for me...just seemed really bland and kind of boring.


Illmatic > Ready To Die > Reasonable Doubt.
 

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This article breaks down how I feel about illmatic almost perfectly.
Check it out, a great read.

http://www.prefixmag.com
http://prefixmag.com/features.php?p=0&t=interviewnoqa&f=NasIllmatic FeatureEssay

Nas's Illmatic
A look at a hip-hop masterpiece, ten years removed

Written by: Matthew Gasteier

Hip-hop thrives on contradiction. In a genre where soapbox grabbing is constantly at odds with proving your masculinity, heartfelt eye- opening social commentary placed next to nihilistic gangsta posturing is not just acceptable, it's the norm. Such ambiguity in rappers does not come from the power of the mike alone. The young black man's place in America is itself a contradiction -- a struggle to survive that has successfully disproved its own basic conflict. If we are dying out, hip-hop tells us, why am I here?


Out of such disillusionment, it's inevitable that religious imagery -- such as the "God's Son" tattoo across Nas's chest -- is embraced. After all, bragging that you have been "Born Again," as Biggie did posthumously, isn't any more blasphemous than claiming that you're "Ready to Die."

But even more inevitable is the emergence of hip-hop's true conflict: a rapper's confidence in his abilities is constantly at odds with his uncertainty about his place. As any retiring Jay-Z will tell you, the game is played by the young, and the fresh perspective and confidence that's necessary to revolutionize can only come with the brazenness to assume that such confidence comes from legitimacy. Whether you are justified in your assumption or not is irrelevant to the creation of great art. The talent and confidence to express yourself accurately is often enough to create revolutionary work.

Nas's 1994 debut, the now-classic Illmatic, fits firmly into this design. The album, which is being commemorated with this long overdue re-mastered edition for its ten-year anniversary, is perhaps the pinnacle of hip-hop's greatest era. Its social commentary wasn't as blatant as the Notorious B.I.G.'s would be five months later on his debut, Ready to Die, nor was its commercialism. But because of its unwarranted confidence -- a confidence that can only come from youth -- Illmatic is perhaps the more vivid picture of the psyche of the urban black male in his early twenties.

Struggle is absent in Illmatic, as is the frustration of failure, instead replaced by his faith in money and rhyming. In "Life's a Bitch," Nas speaks of waking "up early on my born day, I'm twenty years of blessin'/ The essence of adolescence leaves my body now I'm fresh'n/ My physical frame is celebrated 'cause I made it/ one quarter through life, some godly like thing created." How many records would follow up "Life's a Bitch" by claiming "The World is Yours"?

For all of the typical hip-hop posturing and rightly deserved hubris that can be found on Illmatic and throughout Nas's early career, the album's lyrics are blissfully unaware of their contradictions, not to mention their importance. Nas asks, "That's what this is all about, right? Clothes, bankrolls, and hoes, right? Then what?" on "Life's A Bitch." But what is this self-proclaimed "addict of sneakers, twenties of buddha and bitches with beepers" expecting to find? And does he really believe he is due for a song called "Memory Lane" at 20 years old? Growing up in Queensbridge, Nas had no doubt seen more than most people his age, but experience does not bring perspective the way age does. The song plays beautifully and holds its own with the best here, but the listener is stuck wondering what Nas expects from tomorrow. Then again, tomorrow is exactly what Nas doesn't expect.

None of this is to say that Nas didn't understand what he was doing when he made Illmatic. With no female-sung hooks, no guest stars and no single producer, the record depends on its star rapper more than most hip-hop albums. But the self-proclaimed "rapper's rapper" maintains consistency with line after line of expertly crafted rhymes; his verses go on long after most rappers would have had segued into the backup singers. Nas raps over more than 40 bars on "N.Y. State of Mind"; lesser stars would have put at least a guest appearance.

The triumph here, at least from a performance perspective, is "Halftime," the Large Professor-produced cut that was the appetite-whetting single long before Illmatic was released. "Back in '83 I was an emcee sparkin'/ But I was too scared to grab the mikes in the parks and/ Kick my little raps 'cause I thought niggaz wouldn't understand/ And now in every jam I'm the fuckin' man/ I rap in front of more niggaz than in the slave ships/ I used to watch C.H.I.P.s, now I load glock clips."

Nas flows so well here it's difficult to stop mid-thought; even more impossible is to find a seam. The lyrics are bolstered by production from Pete Rock, Premier and Q-Tip -- their work on Illmatic is among their best (plus, AZ spits maybe the best ever guest verse on "Life's a Bitch") -- Nas is clearly the star here and, at twenty years old, solely responsible for the success of Illmatic.

The reason for this success is not that he exposed a snapshot of young black men circa 1994, but what that snapshot reveals: a world outlook that tells us "life sucks so fuck it all," while still maintaining crew loyalties and fighting to survive. The temptation to adopt such an attitude is, of course, not constrained to Black America. Even the most privileged of Americans dabble in cynicism. What makes Illmatic, and the large portion of hip-hop at this point in history, so successful is the legitimacy that such a struggle as Nas overcame has afforded him.

Unlike the rock ethos of "live fast and die young," hip-hop believes in living fast because you die young. Nas still fights with nihilism and apathy, but he has the impression that he has seen better, overcome that which has given him doubts, and finally freed himself from the chains that bound him earlier in life. It is this misguided yet hopeful assumption that pervades Illmatic, and it is that very notion that Nas has struggled with throughout his later career. From the sell-out of the late-'90s to his attempt to return to his roots -- first with a grasp for glory-by-association with the almost-classic Stillmatic, then with the regression even further, back to mother, with God's Son -- Nas has proven both that Illmatic is an impossible act to follow and an undeniably great portrait of an artist as a young man who may never truly find his identity.

Illmatic is the best hip-hop record ever made. Not because it has ten great tracks with perfect beats and flawless rhymes, but because it encompasses everything great about hip-hop that makes the genre worthy of its place in music history. Stylistically, if every other hip-hop record were destroyed, the entire genre could be reconstructed from this one album. But in spirit, Illmatic can just as easily be compared to Ready to Die, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, and Enter the Wu-Tang as it can to Rites of Spring, A Hard Day's Night, Innervisions, and Never Mind the Bollocks. In Illmatic, you find the meaning not just of hip-hop, but of music itself: the struggle of youth to retain its freedom, which is ultimately the struggle of man to retain his own essence.
 
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fav tracks off illmatic: n.y state of mind, the world is yours, lifes a bitch, halftime, one love, it aint hard to tell

fav tracks of ready to die: machine gun funk, the what, respect, big poppa, juicy, ready to die, me and my bitch

fav tracks of reasonable doubt: can't knock the hustle, politics as usual, brooklyns finest, D'Evils, feelin it (fuck yeah), regrets, friend or foe, 22 two's, cashmere thoughts, can't knock the hustle (Remix)


EDIT: that was a good read and i am not undermining the greatness of illmatic, i have never gotten sick of it, but i still maintain that RD imo is better.
 
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