Aussies arrested for downloading child rape vid (3 Viewers)

[Serius]

What legislation says ANY of them are illegal?

Simpson porn is not illegal haha, you can draw what you want (you can always rip it up), write whatever story you want (doesn't harry potter even have a love scene between 'teenagers'), girls who are over 18 are over 18, it doesn't matter how 'young' they look, the law specifies porn only on age and you could never ever be prosecuted- how vague would that be. I guess as long as the porn site disclaimer says "all models are above 18" your covered.

I think yes, the manipulation of a digital image such as a celebrity (even over age) and posting on the internet maybe illegal as imo it is a fradulent depcition of them and they would have a case under tort.

The question I always wanted to know on this issue is when a girl takes a picture of herself? I mean these laws are to stop the abuse (generally by old men of young girls) but what if the girl wants to sexualise herself, for her equal aged bf?

this should answer most of your questions in one big hit

In Australian laws, the variety of legislative definitions of 'child pornography' encompass material ranging from photographs of very young children being subjected to sexual assault to drawings of, and written texts about, an adult who 'appears to be under 18 years' in 'a sexual context' or 'an offensive or demeaning context' etc. Also, some laws enable criminal prosecution of teenagers above (or below) the age of consent who merely possess images of themself and/or of their partner, including spouse, taken with consent.

They are all illegal under Australian law, possessing an image of yourself or your partner that was taken whilst the subject is under age means you will go to jail for possessing and distributing child pornography, and possibly producing it aswell.

evidence? point me to a law that makes this illegal...

Writing that story would be illegal because i would be depicting minors in a a sexual act and i would go to jail for it. here ya go source: http://libertus.net/censor/laws/celaws.html

all Australian laws prohibit not only images/photographs, but also drawings, cartoons, etc. and word-based material i.e. written text, spoken words, etc.

........................................"depictions"... is intended to cover all visual images, both still and motion, including representations of children, such as cartoons or animation. ... "descriptions" ... is intended to cover all word-based material, such as written text, spoken words and songs.

simpsons porn is illegal: Man Guilty of Possession of Child Pornography For Downloading Sexual Cartoons of Simpson and Pokemon Characters � JONATHAN TURLEY

any cartoon porn is illegal. Drawing it is illegal, that is counted as producing CP.

"All sexualised depictions of children under the age of 18 (or who appear to be under that age) are illegal in Australia, and there is a 'zero-tolerance' policy in place, which covers purely fictional children as well as real children.[6]

In August 2007, an Australian was sentenced to pay an AUD $9,000 fine for attempting to import eight DVDs of Japanese anime found to contain pornographic depictions of children and 14 found to contain depictions of sexual violence. No images of real children were involved. "Customs National Manager Investigations, Richard Janeczko, said that it was important to understand that even cartoons or drawings such as those depicted in anime were prohibited if they contained offensive sexual content."[7]

Also, in December 2008, a New South Wales Supreme Court judge, Justice Michael Adams, ruled to uphold a magistrate's decision that a pornographic cartoon parodying characters on The Simpsons (Bart & Lisa) was child pornography, because "t follows that a fictional cartoon character, even one which departs from recognizable human forms in some significant respects, may nevertheless be the depiction of a person within the meaning of the Act.""

18yr old models that look under age is illegal - ""child pornography" means material that depicts or describes (or appears to depict or describe), in a manner that would in all the circumstances cause offence to reasonable persons, a person who is (or appears to be) a child"

Writing about fictional sex featuring under age characters is illegal [note above, "describes" this covers erotic literature about children and has been upheld in court]

I think that covers everything about the rediculous thought crime laws we have in Australia.

edit: lol at this

Serves them fucking right. Watching kiddy porn is one offence and downloading a rape is another fucked up thing.

Actually, its exactly the same thing. Sex with a minor is considered to be sexual assault because they dont have the legal right to consent. The law has nothing specifically called rape, its all called sexual assault. Having sex with a 15 yr old girl who desperately wants it is breaking the exact same law as grabbing a 15 year old girl in a dark alley and brutally raping her. Yes this just highlights how stupid our laws are, watching pornography of two 17 year old consenting people enjoying loving sex should be distinguished from watching pornography of an 8yr old girl brtually and painfully raped who doesnt want it at all.

 

[SnowFox]

What is a 'child'?
AGE OF SEX SHOULD BE AT THE AGE OF PUBERTY. No guardian or state has the authority to stop an individual to have sexual relationship due to their moral idea of what is the correct age for sex. The natural age is at puberty and therefore this natural law should not be interfered with.

Age of puberty is fucking random, some hit at 8, some hit it at 18. Morally, the age for sex is ~16.

And please, tell us why you have the statue of liberty on your fucking DP and in your sig. If its in reference to your name, ok great emphasis, but please, not USA copper statues please.

 

[sam04u]

Age of puberty is fucking random, some hit at 8, some hit it at 18. Morally, the age for sex is ~16.

Morally, the age for sex is when they're old enough to want cock. Not some arbitrary age.

 

[Freedom_]

Age of puberty is fucking random, some hit at 8, some hit it at 18.

exactly. That is the beauty about freedom. Once the "random" age has been reached if you desire a cock or vagina for sexual release then knowone should stop you.

And please, tell us why you have the statue of liberty on your fucking DP and in your sig. If its in reference to your name, ok great emphasis, but please, not USA copper statues please.

reference to name

Naturally, the age for sex is when they're old enough to want cock. Not some arbitrary age.

fixed

 

[bell531]

Re: This made me sick

Oh yeah cause those people downloading videos are the ones who caused harm, lets target them instead of the people raping the girl! WTB less thought crime plz.

and wtf is wrong with you, how is downloading a video WORSE that raping a girl?

I think we should argue this issue again, just for old times sake...

 

[Cookie182]

this should answer most of your questions in one big hit
They are all illegal under Australian law, possessing an image of yourself or your partner that was taken whilst the subject is under age means you will go to jail for possessing and distributing child pornography, and possibly producing it aswell.

Writing that story would be illegal because i would be depicting minors in a a sexual act and i would go to jail for it. here ya go source: http://libertus.net/censor/laws/celaws.html

simpsons porn is illegal: Man Guilty of Possession of Child Pornography For Downloading Sexual Cartoons of Simpson and Pokemon Characters � JONATHAN TURLEY

any cartoon porn is illegal. Drawing it is illegal, that is counted as producing CP.


18yr old models that look under age is illegal - ""child pornography" means material that depicts or describes (or appears to depict or describe), in a manner that would in all the circumstances cause offence to reasonable persons, a person who is (or appears to be) a child"

Writing about fictional sex featuring under age characters is illegal [note above, "describes" this covers erotic literature about children and has been upheld in court]

I think that covers everything about the rediculous thought crime laws we have in Australia.

edit: lol at this
Actually, its exactly the same thing. Sex with a minor is considered to be sexual assault because they dont have the legal right to consent. The law has nothing specifically called rape, its all called sexual assault. Having sex with a 15 yr old girl who desperately wants it is breaking the exact same law as grabbing a 15 year old girl in a dark alley and brutally raping her. Yes this just highlights how stupid our laws are, watching pornography of two 17 year old consenting people enjoying loving sex should be distinguished from watching pornography of an 8yr old girl brtually and painfully raped who doesnt want it at all.

Thank you for this.

Not only am I sickened at my ignorance as a Law student (we didn't study CP in crim), but I'm further sickened at such an entrenchment of liberty. I think in the strict literal definition, if all of these thought crimes were sought out and prosecuted, the majority of the population would at least be guilty of an offence.

I think for me, the funniest part is this:

Hypothetically, a 17 old couple can stand in front of each other naked, have sex etc

But it is ILLEGAL to freeze this representation of visible light- ie take a photo or even view it through any form of lense ie webcam. How ridiculous.

Edit: I'm also lost though- how much mainstream literature alludes to (or describes in detail) sexual relations between teenagers? I remember the vividness of "Locky Leonard" way back in year 9 (its about a 15 year old guy etc). I've read bigoraphies of celebs who describe their first sexual experience at ages as young as 10 (Scar Tissue any1?). Aren't they 'underage' in Twilight lol

All of those teen american movies- "10 things I hate about you" etc, the characters are underaged- there is allusions to sex etc

Or am I misinterpreting the legislation here?

 

[Ben Netanyahu]

hey i've got an idea guys

let's go have a rally outside town hall

PROTEST THE TYRANICAL CHILD PORNOGRAPHY LAWS

lolwut?

 

[sirenxx]

You need to make posts with proper spelling and punctiation, this isnt a text msg and nobody wants to read your shorthand.

We have had a thread on this topic not that long ago, basically i beleive people shouldnt ever be prosecuted for what they think. Child pornography laws are about thought crimes. Assuming you are 18, then that video of you being raped that gets distributed, it is perfectly legal to watch that, i would not go to jail for downloading and watching it.

Basically the thing about tyranny goes like this: people are being sent to prison for 10 years because they watched a movie or saw an image, not because they molested some kid or raped a girl or harmed another person in any way, just because they saw something big brother doesnt like. Who cares what the content is, even if it is a crime, it is not illegal to watch a video of any other sort of crime. The reason why CP is targeted is because people hate the thoughts that are assumed to be going through the heads of people who watch it e.g "who would want to watch a child being raped? what a sicko"

For further evidence that it is about having deviant thoughts rather than viewing a crime, current australian laws make it illegal to see an image with underage cartoon porn. Who is actually being harmed here? in addition to this, imaginary fictional erotic literature is also banned if it features under age characters. As you can see it has nothing to do with protecting children and everything to do with controlling what we think. This creates a problem because we now have to think inside a bubble. The bubble is very large and is defined by what the majority of people find acceptable, but as soon as you have thoughts that the majority don't approve of you are put in prison. That is why thought crimes are very dangerous

the fact is they arent actually hurting anybody, and just because someone has a preference for porn that disgusts you shouldnt make it illegal.

Thinks that would cause me to go to prison for 10 years:

writing a short story for my own personal use on my computer set in ancient greece that features a 14yr old bride[as was the norm then] and her husband on their wedding night.

Cartoon pictures that are erotic in nature.

porn of girls who are 18 or older, but who APPEAR to be young because they are slender and little and wearing makeup and clothing to emphasise their youth.

Digitally manipulated erotic photos to make it appear as if underage girls are naked, even something as simple as cutting out the head of miley cyrus and sticking it on the body of a porn star will have me put in prison.

being bored in class and drawing as a joke a picture of lisa blowing millhouse.

woah.. wen i sed i was confused i meant like i didnt get the whole story
so i dont agree or diagree with the legislation or watva
i hadnt really thought about thought crimes much
probs coz i cant, atm think of any that i will be committing anytime soon
but i think i get it now
still feel sorry for the girl tho
didnt no there was a law against shorthand either
if u dont want 2 read it then dont
i prefer it coz its quicker. quicker 2 write, quicker 2 read. i hav no patience bla bla

 

[EpicFailGuy]

woah.. wen i sed i was confused i meant like i didnt get the whole story
so i dont agree or diagree with the legislation or watva
i hadnt really thought about thought crimes much
probs coz i cant, atm think of any that i will be committing anytime soon
but i think i get it now
still feel sorry for the girl tho
didnt no there was a law against shorthand either
if u dont want 2 read it then dont
i prefer it coz its quicker. quicker 2 write, quicker 2 read. i hav no patience bla bla

It's not quicker to read, as it takes fucking forever to decypher.

 

[Jaylee42003]

it actually made me physically sick I swear.


Aussies arrested for downloading child rape movie

poor child
They are sick sick people who do these sorts of things. I'm glad they got busted.

 

[Ben Netanyahu]

woah.. wen i sed i was confused i meant like i didnt get the whole story
so i dont agree or diagree with the legislation or watva
i hadnt really thought about thought crimes much
probs coz i cant, atm think of any that i will be committing anytime soon
but i think i get it now
still feel sorry for the girl tho
didnt no there was a law against shorthand either
if u dont want 2 read it then dont
i prefer it coz its quicker. quicker 2 write, quicker 2 read. i hav no patience bla bla

For fuck's sake. Stop this bullshit and engage in proper debate.