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dieburndie

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Ishamael said:
Fox Network in America. Nuff said.
Here's a nice example.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418038/
I think that's a nice example that he's right. Fox news is clearly a very successful attempt by Murdoch to win ratings by appealing to the previously ignored religious right. If there wasn't the huge audience for it, Fox news wouldn't be so conservative.
 

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Captain Gh3y said:
Fox is more balanced than the ABC.

Outfoxed focuses on the opinion commentary on Fox instead of the news.
i disagree...fox is the biggest supporter of the republicans on the planet...theres no fairness and definately no balance
a good example is when they tried to portray Foley (the republican dude in that sex scandal) as a democrat. they put (d) meaning democrat beside his name on those banners they have....you have to think that wasnt any mistake..because it happened three times on October 3!
 

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Captain Gh3y said:
Fox is more balanced than the ABC.
Have you ever even watched Fox?
O'Reilly Factor? Hannity and Colmes?
I honestly cannot believe you just said that. Explain.
 

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of course CNN would want to show something like that...because they people are going to watch it!
 

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Am I correct in assuming that by "lol opinion" you mean that those programs are opinion based and therefore irrelevant because they aren't news?
I'd like to get that out of the way before I say anything else.
 

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even before, during and after there commentary segments they still carry their "fair and balanced" slogan
whats that about?
 

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Ok. Fox news has a lot more editorial content than most networks and therefore its bias will be judged on this more than its news coverage. Even the news is often presented with a nationalistic slant. I don't know why you would want to limit this discussion to news alone though. Why are the opinion programs not just as important in assessing bias?
 

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Captain Gh3y said:
Great, we agree. Still waiting for evidence that ownership not ratings affects content, then.
have u watched that the "outfoxed" documentary?
they got their hands on some memo's straight from the top that would outline what fox news would focus on everyday - there was this one where Kerry was to give a speech that day and the memo said it wasnt necessary to air that speech..even in part!
murdoch loved ronald reagan and always had these tributes.
they would always try and make kerry look stupid before the 04 elections
"north korea loves john kerry"
"john kerry was scaring old people as usual today"
"if the unthinkable happens and kerry does become president..."
and apparantly the whole "who won the 04 election" debarcle, even though it couldnt be determined...fox news broadcast bush as the president and later said they had made a mistake in doing so!
 

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Because commercial networks have no obligation to choose x commentators of one persuasion and y commetators of another, it's based solely on what people will watch.

And I find it strange that being pro-republican is evil but posting death-porn is okay because "people will watch it".
 

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They are under no obligation to present objective news coverage either.
 

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Captain Gh3y said:
Fox is more balanced than the ABC.
Are you fucking retarded. Murdoch regularly fucks Reagan's necrotic rear. Never have I seen such a leap of ignorant bullshit.
Outfoxed focuses on the opinion commentary on Fox instead of the news.
News on Fox IS opinion commentary.
 

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dieburndie said:
I think that's a nice example that he's right. Fox news is clearly a very successful attempt by Murdoch to win ratings by appealing to the previously ignored religious right. If there wasn't the huge audience for it, Fox news wouldn't be so conservative.
But was the audience there before Fox? Of course people are going to watch any crap that comes with opinion, especially when the station regularly feeds them self-aggrandising bullshit propaganda. It's not the market that demands this crap, its the supply that feeds off of the market. If the Fox network tells them their family is under attack by homosexuality, and an objective network is airing some Gay rights protest, can you honestly expect the average joe to know what's more important to watch.

There's a reason that we expect fair and balanced coverage in the news, and that is because we can't all investigate the events, and see through the bias. Just because everybody is deciding to watch, it doesn't mean that the news isn't influencing their decisions, or their bosses aren't deciding what that might be.
 

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It all comes from the same Reuters, AP and AFP reports anyway, and those guys aren't exactly balanced themselves.

I think the reason you moonbats hate Fox is because they ARE too fair. Maybe you'd be happier watching BBC

It was the day that a host of BBC executives and star presenters admitted what critics have been telling them for years: the BBC is dominated by trendy, Left-leaning liberals who are biased against Christianity and in favour of multiculturalism.

A leaked account of an ‘impartiality summit’ called by BBC chairman Michael Grade, is certain to lead to a new row about the BBC and its reporting on key issues, especially concerning Muslims and the war on terror.

It reveals that executives would let the Bible be thrown into a dustbin on a TV comedy show, but not the Koran, and that they would broadcast an interview with Osama Bin Laden if given the opportunity. Further, it discloses that the BBC’s ‘diversity tsar’, wants Muslim women newsreaders to be allowed to wear veils when on air.

At the secret meeting in London last month, which was hosted by veteran broadcaster Sue Lawley, BBC executives admitted the corporation is dominated by homosexuals and people from ethnic minorities, deliberately promotes multiculturalism, is anti-American, anti-countryside and more sensitive to the feelings of Muslims than Christians.

One veteran BBC executive said: ‘There was widespread acknowledgement that we may have gone too far in the direction of political correctness. Unfortunately, much of it is so deeply embedded in the BBC’s culture, that it is very hard to change it.’ ...

The full account of the meeting shows how senior BBC figures queued up to lambast their employer.

Political pundit Andrew Marr said: ‘The BBC is not impartial or neutral. It’s a publicly funded, urban organisation with an abnormally large number of young people, ethnic minorities and gay people. It has a liberal bias not so much a party-political bias. It is better expressed as a cultural liberal bias.’

Washington correspondent Justin Webb said that the BBC is so biased against America that deputy director general Mark Byford had secretly agreed to help him to ‘correct’, it in his reports. Webb added that the BBC treated America with scorn and derision and gave it ‘no moral weight’.

Former BBC business editor Jeff Randall said he complained to a ‘very senior news executive’, about the BBC’s pro-multicultural stance but was given the reply: ‘The BBC is not neutral in multiculturalism: it believes in it and it promotes it.’

Randall also told how he once wore Union Jack cufflinks to work but was rebuked with: ‘You can’t do that, that’s like the National Front!’
I wonder how similar our own public broadcaster is.
 

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relying on the Daily Mail as an accurate and unbiased source are we? ;)
 

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Captain Ghey, your argument that Fox is balanced has been as follows:
The ABC, CNN and BBC are all biased for these reasons *links article*.

For someone usually so concerned about logical fallacy, it seems odd that you've erected such an obvious straw man.
I haven't read an argument saying "Fox are so biased compared to the balanced CNN and BBC" yet. Is there something I'm missing?

Your opponent's current argument is "Fox is biased". You have not provided any evidence that Fox is balanced, only evidence that CNN and the BBC are also biased.
When I brought opinion into the equation, you replied as if I was insane and as if my response was irrelevant, with "FFS" added to assure that I was beneath you in my repetitive ignorance. Fox repeat their "fair and balanced" slogan during opinion programs as well as during news. You didn't argue with me when I mentioned the biased programs, you just dismissed them as irrelevant.
I'll assume this means you concede that these are biased in some way.
If Fox presents that which is biased as "fair and balanced", how can we be assured of the fact that their news is not also biased, as it is grouped in the same fair and balanced category?
 

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