Britain warned Iran on kidnapped troops (1 Viewer)

[ElendilPeredhil]

Because US does not want captives to be filmed and used as propaganda tool and force them to confess like iranian government did to the British soldiers. Using female captives to forced confession probably Iranian style or should I say islamic style, unheard of in the west.

...what difference does it make that they used female captives? Was she raped, bashed, tortured? No. It's not like they are somehow worse because they used the girl as the spokesperson. Female soldiers don't get a free pass just 'cause they've got a womb. And If you are trying to convince me that filming that chick wearing a head scarf, and saying whatever she has to say to make her captors happy, is horrendous abuse and absolutely low and disgusting, then do a little reading on what happens to people captured by the US.

Those soldiers are just smart enough to know that if they confess, play along, be good, they've got a better chance.

How many minutes of the treatment you've seen on TV 5 minutes footage of them sitting and eating does not explain how the rest of 20155 minutes were spent. In fact , the captives explained how they were put in solitary confinement, handcuffed, interrogated, blindfolded and threatened with lengthy jail term if they dont admit to confession pre-prepared by iran. The female's confession letters were written in wakward archaic english with words which will never be used by a normal British soldiers.

Aww...the prisoners were imprisoned, and put in handcuffs...aww. That's a bit harsh.


Their solitary confinement can't have been too horrendous for them, they were only captive for a week or so.

The female's confession letters were written in wakward archaic english with words which will never be used by a normal British soldiers.

Well, now I see your problem. The Iranians made her look stupid! Lets burn their villages.

 

[ElendilPeredhil]

Is that all? Everything you use in your lifetime is probably invented by americans, from your jeans, your calculator, your computer and evrything inside it, your operating system, your electric bulb, your telephone etc. In deed those are nothing compared algebra which is NOT even invented by persian

Qanat (a water management system used for irrigation), which requires highly sophisticated design and technology, is originated in pre-Achaemenid Persia. The oldest and largest known qanat is in the Iranian city of Gonabad which after 2700 years still provides drinking and agricultural water to nearly 40,000 people.[1]
Persian philosophers and inventors may have created the first batteries (sometimes known as the Baghdad Battery) in Parthian era or Sassanid era. — a technique still used today and a common classroom experiment.[2]

One of the greatest mathematicians of antiquity who appeared at the end of the ninth century was an Iranian by the name of Muhammad Ibn Musa-al-Kharazmi whose work affected the Islamic and European culture after 12th century. This great mathematician in addition to having compiled a table of figures which was named Algorithm, also developed algebra and by his work he revived the ancient Iranian and Indian arithmetic system which were used before him.

In 13th century, Nasir al-Din Tusi developed a basic theory of evolution- more than 600 years before Charles Darwin.
Tusi believed that a body of matter is able to change, but is not able to entirely disappear. He wrote: "A body of matter cannot disappear completely. It only changes its form, condition, composition, color and other properties and turns into a different complex or elementary matter." Five hundred years later, M. Lomonosov (1711-1765) and Antoine-Laurent Lavoisier (1743-1794) created the law of conservation of mass, setting down this very same idea.[


Jaber Ibn Hayyan, the famous Iranian chemist who died in 804 at Tous, in Khorasan was the father of a number of discoveries which were recorded in an encyclopaedia and numerous treaties covering two thousand works which became the bible of European chemists of the 18th century, particularly of Lavoisier.
These works led naturally to the following uses: tinctures and their applications in tanning and textiles, distillations of plans and flowers, the origin of perfumes, therapeutic pharmacy and of course gunpowder, a powerful instrument of military superiority which Islam possessed long before the West.

Abu Ali al'Hasan ibn al'Haitam is known in the West as Alhazen, born 965 in Persia and dying in 1039 in Egypt. He is called the Father of Optics for his writings on and experiments with lenses, mirrors, refraction and reflection. He correctly stated that vision results from light that is reflected into the eye by an object, not emitted by the eye itself and then reflected back, as Aristotle believed. He solved the problem of finding the locus of points on a spherical mirror from which light will be reflected to an observer. From his studies of refraction he determined that the atmosphere has a definite height, and that twilight is caused by refraction of solar radiation from beneath the horizon


Iran is a good example of a country that has made considerable advances through focusing on education and training. Despite sanctions in almost all aspects of research during the past few decades, Persian scientists have been producing cutting-edge science. Their publication rate in international journals has quadrupled during the past decade. Although it is still low compared with the developed countries, this puts Iran in the first rank of Islamic countries.[5] Considering the country's brain drain and its poor political relationship with the USA and some Western countries, Iran's scientific community remains productive, even while economic sanctions make it hard for universities to purchase equipment or send people to the United States to attend scientific meetings.[6]

Iran's university population has swelled from 100,000 in 1979 to 2 million in 2006. Indeed, in Iran some 70% of science and engineering students are women.[7]


Go to this site:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_Iran


Learn, grow, open your eyes.

 

[YankeeChica]

...what difference does it make that they used female captives? Was she raped, bashed, tortured? No. It's not like they are somehow worse because they used the girl as the spokesperson. Female soldiers don't get a free pass just 'cause they've got a womb. And If you are trying to convince me that filming that chick wearing a head scarf, and saying whatever she has to say to make her captors happy, is horrendous abuse and absolutely low and disgusting, then do a little reading on what happens to people captured by the US.

Those soldiers are just smart enough to know that if they confess, play along, be good, they've got a better chance.

And it shows the desperateness and weakness of Iranian pathetically trying a weak female to forced confession trying tro win the hearts and minds of the world LOL. I am not here saying how they should be treated, I am here trashing Iran, theirfailed strategy in trying to divert nuclear attention and their attempts to exchange Iranian Revolutionary guards captured by American troops in Iraq both of them failed miserably. They got nothing out of the hostage crisis but UN condemnation and probably a more resolved and agressive UK and US troops patroling the water ha ha
Besides, I was proven right. Iran was sared of USA and they realized they have nothing to gain but condemnation and isolation from international community. They had no options but to let them go.

Aww...the prisoners were imprisoned, and put in handcuffs...aww. That's a bit harsh.


Their solitary confinement can't have been too horrendous for them, they were only captive for a week or so.



Well, now I see your problem. The Iranians made her look stupid! Lets burn their villages.

That was basically to ridicule your asumption that they are well treated as you saw them eating and talking for a few minutes on TV.

Yes soon, US or Israel will nuke iranian nuclear installation, and I'll be glad to hear that and I hope you do too since you want to burn heir village.

Torture.

Let us not forget Abu Ghraib

America is just as bad as the Iranians dude

Terrorists deserve to be tortured and killed but british soldeirs are not terrorists, they were merely doing their duty in the interest of Iraqi people by inspecting ships in the gulf. Therefore, your comparision of terrorist and British soldiers are useless.

 

[onebytwo]

This world. No one give a damn about train or mosque bombing in india or pakistan or thousands of people executed by their own government in Iran while a single execution of an westerner makes headlines around the world. Hundreds of people are beheaded in Iraq, Aghanistan and Thailand but the only ones people talk about were the ones which involve westerners. Because we value life and they don't.

haha...as if a mosque bombing doesnt make the news around the world, i would have thought you watch youre tv attentively at such news. a horendous bombing in iraq isnt always common news to westeners, but i can assure it makes the news papers of all arab countries.
its a two way street, death in mid east countries isnt met by grief in the west, like wise death in the west isnt met by grief in the mid east.
guess why, because most people dont really give a shit about whats happening on the other side of the world

 

[YankeeChica]

Qanat (a water management system used for irrigation), which requires highly sophisticated design and technology, is originated in pre-Achaemenid Persia. The oldest and largest known qanat is in the Iranian city of Gonabad which after 2700 years still provides drinking and agricultural water to nearly 40,000 people.[1]
Persian philosophers and inventors may have created the first batteries (sometimes known as the Baghdad Battery) in Parthian era or Sassanid era. — a technique still used today and a common classroom experiment.[2]

One of the greatest mathematicians of antiquity who appeared at the end of the ninth century was an Iranian by the name of Muhammad Ibn Musa-al-Kharazmi whose work affected the Islamic and European culture after 12th century. This great mathematician in addition to having compiled a table of figures which was named Algorithm, also developed algebra and by his work he revived the ancient Iranian and Indian arithmetic system which were used before him.

In 13th century, Nasir al-Din Tusi developed a basic theory of evolution- more than 600 years before Charles Darwin.
Tusi believed that a body of matter is able to change, but is not able to entirely disappear. He wrote: "A body of matter cannot disappear completely. It only changes its form, condition, composition, color and other properties and turns into a different complex or elementary matter." Five hundred years later, M. Lomonosov (1711-1765) and Antoine-Laurent Lavoisier (1743-1794) created the law of conservation of mass, setting down this very same idea.[


Jaber Ibn Hayyan, the famous Iranian chemist who died in 804 at Tous, in Khorasan was the father of a number of discoveries which were recorded in an encyclopaedia and numerous treaties covering two thousand works which became the bible of European chemists of the 18th century, particularly of Lavoisier.
These works led naturally to the following uses: tinctures and their applications in tanning and textiles, distillations of plans and flowers, the origin of perfumes, therapeutic pharmacy and of course gunpowder, a powerful instrument of military superiority which Islam possessed long before the West.

Abu Ali al'Hasan ibn al'Haitam is known in the West as Alhazen, born 965 in Persia and dying in 1039 in Egypt. He is called the Father of Optics for his writings on and experiments with lenses, mirrors, refraction and reflection. He correctly stated that vision results from light that is reflected into the eye by an object, not emitted by the eye itself and then reflected back, as Aristotle believed. He solved the problem of finding the locus of points on a spherical mirror from which light will be reflected to an observer. From his studies of refraction he determined that the atmosphere has a definite height, and that twilight is caused by refraction of solar radiation from beneath the horizon


Iran is a good example of a country that has made considerable advances through focusing on education and training. Despite sanctions in almost all aspects of research during the past few decades, Persian scientists have been producing cutting-edge science. Their publication rate in international journals has quadrupled during the past decade. Although it is still low compared with the developed countries, this puts Iran in the first rank of Islamic countries.[5] Considering the country's brain drain and its poor political relationship with the USA and some Western countries, Iran's scientific community remains productive, even while economic sanctions make it hard for universities to purchase equipment or send people to the United States to attend scientific meetings.[6]

Iran's university population has swelled from 100,000 in 1979 to 2 million in 2006. Indeed, in Iran some 70% of science and engineering students are women.[7]


Go to this site:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_Iran


Learn, grow, open your eyes.

Impressive inventions

NOT

Thomas Alva Edison, an American Scientist and Inventor invented more (and useful) things than the whole of Islamic World combined for the past 3000 years.

haha...as if a mosque bombing doesnt make the news around the world, i would have thought you watch youre tv attentively at such news. a horendous bombing in iraq isnt always common news to westeners, but i can assure it makes the news papers of all arab countries.
its a two way street, death in mid east countries isnt met by grief in the west, like wise death in the west isnt met by grief in the mid east.
guess why, because most people dont really give a shit about whats happening on the other side of the world

A brit, American or any westerner held hostage is a news and headlines not only in the west but also in the mid east, an iraqi, iranian or saudi held hostage is NOT. Even from an arab news channel such as Al Arbia and al jajeera, only westerners get attention while mid east people doesnt in similar circumstance.

 

[$hiftyIceQueen]

A brit, American or any westerner held hostage is a news and headlines not only in the west but also in the mid east, an iraqi, iranian or saudi held hostage is NOT. Even from an arab news channel such as Al Arbia and al jajeera, only westerners get attention while mid east people doesnt in similar circumstance.

Reason=It's in the Middle East. But they still dont make a huge deal of it.

As for Al Arabia, and Al Jazeera well they always talk about everything going on around the world. Whereas other news networks dont eg the one they use on Syrian tv and LBC.

 

[HotShot]

Thomas Alva Edison, an American Scientist and Inventor invented more (and useful) things than the whole of Islamic World combined for the past 3000 years.

Many other inventors had worked on the development of an incandescent light bulb and some had even patented it before Edison. Edison's own inventions are often mistakenly credited as Edison's work alone, when in fact a number of employees actually worked under his direction.

Basically all these inventions are based on Islamic inventions.

Only that he wasnt the first to invent them.

The germans were better inventors:
Ralph Baer, (1922-), German born American — the home video game console
# Eugen Baumann, (1846-1896), Germany — PVC
# Karl Benz, (1844-1929), Germany — the petrol-powered automobile
# Karl Ferdinand Braun, (1850-1918), Germany — cathode-ray tube oscilloscope
# Adolf Eugen Fick, (1829-1901), Germany — contact lens
Heinrich Göbel, (1818-1893), Germany — first functional incandescent lamp
# Otto von Guericke, (1602-1686), Germany — vacuum pump, manometer, dasymeter,
# Johann Gutenberg, (c 1390s-1468), Germany — modern movable type printing press
# Hans Wilhelm Geiger, (1882-1945), Germany — Geiger counter
# Heinrich Hertz, (1857-1894), Germany — radio telegraphy, electromagnetic radiation
# Karl Jatho, (1873-1933), Germany — aeroplane
# Fritz Klatte, (1880-1934), Germany — vinyl chloride, forerunner to polyvinyl chloride
# Justus von Liebig, (1803-1873), Germany — nitrogen-based fertilizer
# Otto Lilienthal, (1848-1896), Germany — air glider
# Ernst Ruska, (1906-1988), Germany — electron microscope
# Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen, (1845-1923), Germany — the X-ray machine
# Werner von Siemens, (1816-1892), Germany — an electromechanical "dynamic"
# Sir William Siemens, (1823-1883), Germany — regenerative furnace

 

[YankeeChica]

Basically all these inventions are based on Islamic inventions.

What is based on islamic inventions? They invented nothing except soap making and suicide bombing which the world can do without.

Only that he wasnt the first to invent them.

Whether Edison was the first to invent or not, people who worked under him were Americans, he himself was American. A single American inventors works is more important and valuable than 2 billion muslims works and inventions during the past 1500 years. Politik who think Iran is so great and scientifically advanced CANNOT name a single inventins by Persian. He tried to credit Algebra but Algebra was used by Arabs and Indians 1000 years before the persians.

The germans were better inventors:
Ralph Baer, (1922-), German born American — the home video game console
# Eugen Baumann, (1846-1896), Germany — PVC
# Karl Benz, (1844-1929), Germany — the petrol-powered automobile
# Karl Ferdinand Braun, (1850-1918), Germany — cathode-ray tube oscilloscope
# Adolf Eugen Fick, (1829-1901), Germany — contact lens
Heinrich Göbel, (1818-1893), Germany — first functional incandescent lamp
# Otto von Guericke, (1602-1686), Germany — vacuum pump, manometer, dasymeter,
# Johann Gutenberg, (c 1390s-1468), Germany — modern movable type printing press
# Hans Wilhelm Geiger, (1882-1945), Germany — Geiger counter
# Heinrich Hertz, (1857-1894), Germany — radio telegraphy, electromagnetic radiation
# Karl Jatho, (1873-1933), Germany — aeroplane
# Fritz Klatte, (1880-1934), Germany — vinyl chloride, forerunner to polyvinyl chloride
# Justus von Liebig, (1803-1873), Germany — nitrogen-based fertilizer
# Otto Lilienthal, (1848-1896), Germany — air glider
# Ernst Ruska, (1906-1988), Germany — electron microscope
# Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen, (1845-1923), Germany — the X-ray machine
# Werner von Siemens, (1816-1892), Germany — an electromechanical "dynamic"
# Sir William Siemens, (1823-1883), Germany — regenerative furnace

None of them are muslims moron and none of them are based on Persian or any islamic inventions.

 

[YankeeChica]

I did not compare soldiers to terrorists. I was merely saying that your Beloved Yanks aren't as angelic as you make them out to be. They engage is torture much like the Iranians do.

But this is not about Yanks vs Iranian, its British vs Iranian vis a vis treatment of captives. You will not hear a single instance in which Britain tortured its captives in Britain. Iranian representative said captives were treated with Islamic Hospitality, the woman captives said she was stripped bare naked excet her panties. So much for their islamic Hospitality.

I watched the film 300 yesterday and I think it can be compared with today's situation. 300 US soldiers probably can defeat 1-2 million strong iranian army.

 

[ElendilPeredhil]

And it shows the desperateness and weakness of Iranian pathetically trying a weak female to forced confession trying tro win the hearts and minds of the world LOL.

That is how you see female soldiers? As the weak link in their units?
Maybe you are Aryan after all...

All the soldiers confessed...they all signed statements and said whatever they had to to be released, not just her.

That was basically to ridicule your asumption that they are well treated as you saw them eating and talking for a few minutes on TV.

Yes soon, US or Israel will nuke iranian nuclear installation, and I'll be glad to hear that and I hope you do too since you want to burn heir village.

Perhaps sarcasm is a bit beyond you.

They were well treated...being put under arrest, being handcuffed, and being strip searched does not constitute torture. They were fed, they weren't beaten or starved (or paraded naked, with bags over their heads...)

 

[tempco]

the woman captives said she was stripped bare naked excet her panties. So much for their islamic Hospitality.

So they should have left her in the clothes that they were captured in? This whole "stripping" thing going on the media reeks. She was in her cell, told to take off her clothes and then had pyjamas and blankets given to her. WOW, I CAN SMELL THE INJUSTICE.

 

[ElendilPeredhil]

Impressive inventions

NOT

Thomas Alva Edison, an American Scientist and Inventor invented more (and useful) things than the whole of Islamic World combined for the past 3000 years.

You frustrate me. I did not list all the things the Islamic world contributed for the past 3000 years, I can't do that, I don't have time to write you a thesis. I just listed a few.

Firstly, the irrigation system. If you can't see how this invention is important, how effective water usage for drinking and irrigation is vital to simply maintaining society, then I might as well stop arguing now because if you don't understand simple concepts like water= life -then I cannot help you.

Second, maths. Muhammad Ibn Musa-al-Kharazmi whose work affected the Islamic and European culture after 12th century. This great mathematician in addition to having compiled a table of figures which was named Algorithm, also developed algebra and by his work he revived the ancient Iranian and Indian arithmetic system which were used before him.

This guy developed algebra (notice I didn't say invented) and Algorithms...again, perhaps you don't understand the significance of this. The later inventions you listed, by Edison and all those German fellows, wouldn't have been possible without using mathematics.

The theory of evolution was first proposed by a persian...this theory underpins science today, and the way we look at our origins.
Tusi believed that a body of matter is able to change, but is not able to entirely disappear. He wrote: "A body of matter cannot disappear completely. It only changes its form, condition, composition, color and other properties and turns into a different complex or elementary matter."

The law of conservation of mass, in other words. Complex scientific ideas first proposed by an Iranian.

as I said, I don't have time to list every single advancement, but some more modern ones are:

In 1960, Ali Javan invented first gas laser.
Iranian cardiologist, Tofy Mussivand invented the first Artificial heart and developed it further afterwards.
HbA1c was discovered by Samuel Rahbar and introduced to medical community

Faraneh Vargha-Khadem: discovery of SPCH1 , a gene implicated in a severe speech and language disorder

Pierre Omidyar, economist, founder and chairman of eBay. Lol.

 

[YankeeChica]

That is how you see female soldiers? As the weak link in their units?
Maybe you are Aryan after all...

All the soldiers confessed...they all signed statements and said whatever they had to to be released, not just her.

Yes that is how I see the iranian desperateness in trying to convince the world which they failed miserably. They convince no one and they got nothing but humiliation and condemnation from UN, while they have to let go their captives without getting anything from Britain.

Perhaps sarcasm is a bit beyond you.

They were well treated...being put under arrest, being handcuffed, and being strip searched does not constitute torture. They were fed, they weren't beaten or starved (or paraded naked, with bags over their heads...)

I did not said they were tortured, but I rather mock your attempt to judge their treatment on a 2 or 3 minutes of them eating and smiling on TV.

Firstly, the irrigation system. If you can't see how this invention is important, how effective water usage for drinking and irrigation is vital to simply maintaining society, then I might as well stop arguing now because if you don't understand simple concepts like water= life -then I cannot help you.

Irrigation is NOT an iranian/persian invention. It has been used two thousand years before there was persian civilization/empire. It has been used in Indus Valley/Mesopotamia and Egyptian Civilization all of whom pre-dates Persian civilization. Furthermore, NONE of those civilizations were Islamic. They were all pre-islamic civilization.

Second, maths. Muhammad Ibn Musa-al-Kharazmi whose work affected the Islamic and European culture after 12th century. This great mathematician in addition to having compiled a table of figures which was named Algorithm, also developed algebra and by his work he revived the ancient Iranian and Indian arithmetic system which were used before him.
Again, This guy developed algebra (notice I didn't say invented) and Algorithms...again, perhaps you don't understand the significance of this. The later inventions you listed, by Edison and all those German fellows, wouldn't have been possible without using mathematics.

Again, Algebra was used thousands of years before Al-Kharazmi, yes he was significant in developing algebra further, there is nothing to rave about it. In fact the FATHER of ALGEBRA is Diophantus, a Greek, NOT a persian. He was one person among a long list of mathematicians who develop Algebra and Algorithm to its modern form, neither of them are invented by him and neither of them are credited to him.

Saying Edison and german scientist will not be able to make scientific inventions and discoveries without him is nothing but farce and baseless. Can you give me the link in the making/invention of an electric bulb and algebra developed by Al-Khwarizmi?

The theory of evolution was first proposed by a persian...this theory underpins science today, and the way we look at our origins.
Tusi believed that a body of matter is able to change, but is not able to entirely disappear. He wrote: "A body of matter cannot disappear completely. It only changes its form, condition, composition, color and other properties and turns into a different complex or elementary matter."

The law of conservation of mass, in other words. Complex scientific ideas first proposed by an Iranian.

I hate to burst your bubble, , Tusi might have proposed his theory of evolution but he was NOT known as a scientist to the west nor any of Darwin and Hendel's works were based on his theory. His works were only translated a few years ago. He had great ideas but his works are irrelevant compared with those of Darwin and Mendel, who not only proposed theories but also done scientific experiments and research to prove their theories.

Again, regarding the law conservation of matter and Energy, those were taken straight from greek philosopher Hereclitus 1200 years before Tusi.

as I said, I don't have time to list every single advancement, but some more modern ones are:

In 1960,

Ali Javan invented first gas laser.

invented with William R Bennet, at Massachussets Institute of Technology in where? USA NOT Iran.

Iranian cardiologist,

Tofy Mussivand invented the first Artificial heart and developed it further afterwards.

Wrong, the first Artificial heart was invented by Paul Winchell, an American. Mussivand invented Artifical Cardiac Pump NOT artificial heart, they are not similar. Furthermore, he was educated in Canada and USA and invented his cardiac pump while working in an American Hospital, not in Iran.

Faraneh Vargha-Khadem: discovery of SPCH1 , a gene implicated in a severe speech and language disorder

Great!! another product of Canadian and American university.

Pierre Omidyar, economist, founder and chairman of eBay. Lol.

Another successful American.

A question for you? Do you think those great iranian scientists support theocratic islamic government of Iran? May I ask you why those intelligent and educated people left Iran to get education and live in USA and made great inventions in USA?

 

[mr EaZy]

lol, does iranian mean nationality or place of work?
the international students at uni- are they australians?
(the guys u cited reside in north america, so i take that back- feel free to answer it though, im curious as to ur notions of nationality)


http://community.boredofstudies.org...ivities/132361/article-muslim-inventions.html
just to save people the trouble of doing so...

 

[mr EaZy]

how this thread moved from british sailors being held in iran to islamic science beats the living daylight out of me

the brits are admitting that it was a mistake to have let them speak for cash, and the iranian footage released just yesterday was strategically well placed to refute their comments (at least partially, given that they were in detention for a week was it?)

Question: if you find two half dead people on the ground and with enough medical supplies for 1 person- one was brit the other iranian, given ur asseertion that 1 brit is worth 1000000000 iranian lives who would u save?

 

[bshoc]

Can all the people bitching about obscure Islamic "inventions" please shutup and save yourself anymore embarrassment.

The contribution of muslims to science has been miniscule at best - case of point: look at todays middle east. The oh so painful truth is that everything from the computer screen you're starting at, to the powerpoint its plugged into, to the internet you're using now, to most of the things you're learning on the internet, is a product of western scientific effort.

I find it difficult to believe that if islamic society was so scientifically advanced and contributive, the current islamic world would be such a poverty and conflict ridden third world toilet.

 

[YankeeChica]

lol, does iranian mean nationality or place of work?
the international students at uni- are they australians?
(the guys u cited reside in north america, so i take that back- feel free to answer it though, im curious as to ur notions of nationality)


http://community.boredofstudies.org/111/hobbies-interests-social-activities/132361/article-muslim-inventions.html
just to save people the trouble of doing so...

iranian can mean nationality or ancestry.

I'm not saying iranians or persians are inherently retard . They are the same people as everywhere else and given the opportunity and with conducive environment they can be successful scientists and that opportunity exist only in western countries such as USA and Europe. Proven by the fact that most scientists listed by Eldiprihillibilly studied, work and live in the USA. Why? USA is better in every respect. Many successful iranians/persians abroad fled Islamic theocratic rule, the same people/ruler who kidnapped british sailors.

the brits are admitting that it was a mistake to have let them speak for cash, and the iranian footage released just yesterday was strategically well placed to refute their comments (at least partially, given that they were in detention for a week was it?)

Same story with beaconsfield miners and Schapelle Corby, some people hate the idea of profiteering tragic incidents. some people think its OK. Personally I oppose it mainly because they were doing nothing heroic and let themselves captured without putting up any resistance.

 

[tempco]

The Daily Show on the British troops

 

[mr EaZy]

Aussie chica, i agree with ur reply post: America is a way better place to do scientific research than iran, and nationality doesnt have much to do with the ideas you come up with

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tempco: thanks

 

[MaNiElla]

Yeah, thats true, if iran or any other country had the capabilites that the U.S das, they would create wonders.