Call to stop Muslim immigrants (2 Viewers)

[bshoc]

Why should we be stopping Muslim immigrants? Not all of them are terrorists (if any of them are) and not all terrorists are muslims. Furhtermore, as this is likely to be linked to how Sheik Halali has acted in the past, it needs to be acknowledged that he doesn't represent all Muslims.

What a load of rubbish, name one terrorist plot, sermon or otherwise in Australia that has not been carried out by muslims.

 

[UWS-Uni-Student]

What a load of rubbish, name one terrorist plot, sermon or otherwise in Australia that has not been carried out by muslims.

I was more referring to the international nature of terrorism, which I can quite easily list off other religious and non-religious groups.

 

[UWS-Uni-Student]

A 'secular' nation.

Are we a secular nation? Couldn't it be argued that whatever the majority of citizens in a country is what the nation is in terms of religious persuasion?


https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/as.html#People

 

[banco55]

not in the least. and wow, left wing. i dotn think ive ever been called left wing. i didnt say let in a fanatic to enforce equality. i clearly said it shouldnt be about race or religion. rather ban all the fanatics who threaten our society. not just the islamic ones. all of them.

The problem is there will never be the resources to properly vet immigrants individually. Not to mention in many western countries the second generatioin of muslim immigrants has more crazies than the first. So you have to take immigrant groups as an aggregate. If we have the choice between 100000 koreans/cambodians/vietnamese/chinese/hispanics and 100000 muslims I don't think it's hard to predict which group is going to produce more problems in the short, medium and long term. What exactly would Australia lose from restricting muslim immigration and taking in non-muslim immigrants instead?

 

[banco55]

You're right we are just being xenophobic. There isn't major tension between western values and the values of Muslims in say Pakistan:Karachi: A man found guilty of committing blasphemy by desecrating the Quran has been sentenced to life imprisonment, a court official said yesterday. Mohammad Yousuf, 44, was sentenced to 25 years rigorous imprisonment by the sessions court in the central city of Multan, public prosecutor Mohammad Siddique said yesterday. "The court verdict was based on witnesses' accounts and evidence against the accused, which was very strong," Siddique said. "He tore up the Quran and than threw its pages into a nullah [sewage] in his home village of Qutabpur," he said. Desecrating the Quran is against the law in Pakistan and is punishable by death under Islamic law. http://www.gulfnews.com/world/Pakistan/10110347.html

 

[umop 3pisdn]

I propose that we need muslim immigrants so that state opposition parties can promise to be tough on Middle Eastern Crime. This forms a vital Law and Order related promise at elections, without which the hilarity of state politics would be greatly reduced.

Unless we can get the Copts to start forming gangs...


I'll edit this later with my usual enormous list of massive problems the muzzies are causing in various Euro countries like the rape epidemics in Scandinavia, the paris riots, weekly discoveries of terrorist plots in the UK and generally forcing the host countries to change their culture to accommodate islamic communities. Cost benefit analysis anyone?

 

[nwatts]

I did, i voted in favour of Fred Niles

aren't you gay?

 

[nwatts]

it's hugely fucking ironic that islamics are migrating anywhere anyway.
they essentially come from nations that uphold their values, realise they're being oppressed, come here in search of a better life but aren't happy until they can live like their old ways again.
no wonder everyone hates them.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

The stereotyping in this thread is killing me!

What a load of rubbish, name one terrorist plot, sermon or otherwise in Australia that has not been carried out by muslims.

And? Name me one world war that wasn't started by a white guy. Neither has a point...

 

[Serius]

I am not too sure how compatible Muslim immigrants from Islam dominated countries would be with our culture. Over in shitstanbull and wtfistan there is only one type of Muslim, the fundamentalist kind. The more moderate Muslims we see here aren’t even considered 'real' Muslims there.

The problem with this is that fundamentalist Muslims have one very strong allegiance, and that is to Islam. Allot of the beliefs surrounding Islam are incompatible with western ideals [generally equality, liberty, freedom of speech, human rights, democracy, no corporal punishment and innocent until proven guilty]

If you are becoming an Australian then you are taking a pledge to uphold those ideals above all else and pledging loyalty towards your country.

So I put it, how can one be a fundamentalist Muslim and all it entails [sexism, denial of liberty, disagreement with religious freedom, shariah law which is mostly about corporal punishment, controlled speech e.g. you cant depict Muhammad] who holds as a fundamental belief that Islam is number one and they fully support it with their loyalty and allegiance... how can this individual then swear allegiance and loyalty to a country that abhors most of those beliefs?

The answer is they can’t. They are lying when they pledge allegiance which is permitted by the Koran.


Now I don’t have any problem with people practicing whatever religion they want [well I do and I don’t like it, but I am not going to do anything about it] because I believe in freedom of religion. What I do have a problem is, is when our FREEDOM and liberty is used to protect those who are actually against that freedom.

How the hell can someone support shariah law and also support the western legal rights? How the hell can they support equality when their fundamental beliefs are in fact sexist and racist? How can they support our justice system when they believe in corporal and capital punishment? How can they support freedom of religion when they believe this should be a crime?


I don’t necessarily suggest we start banning people who want to come here based on their religion, I think we should ban people coming here who don’t believe in western ideals. Unfortunately that means 90% of Muslims should go find another country to fuck up like they did their home land.

 

[TwoNiner]

Or could it be that, like his cock-smoking conservative friends a federal level, he knows the power of exploiting white fear and white xenophobia close to election time?

Pot, kettle, black? Oooh, I said black.

You have just showed how hypocritic you are by saying 'white'. The correct term is Anglo-saxon, use it.

 

[S1M0]

I think this guy has some ideas right, just that his statement and the way he presented it was completly wrong.

You have to understand that christians do get persecuted in the middle-east (with the only notable exception being lebanon), and i should know, my parents fall into this category. It wasn't easy for them to get here, while a lot of muslims come here far easier than we did and how lots of people i know did. I agree with what he's saying regarding welcoming christians in the middle-east, who are persecuted in the middle-east, to Australia.

With what he's saying to ban the muslims....how do we differentate between a law-abiding muslim, and one who comes here for malicious intent? I think thats what he was thinking, but it came out wrong.

Personally, i admire this guy. He's the only one who spoke out against the Christians in Egypt being persecuted when a stabbing during Christimas occured at one of the churches there. He's pretty brave to say that, and he's pretty brave to say what he said and to give out those booklets ("Australian values vs Radical Islam").

 

[S1M0]

we should stop people from migrating altogether (muslims, blacks, jews etc)

Dont forget that you got white immigrants.

In other words, you want a white australia policy.

 

[cowface]

Who needs Muslim Fundies when there are Christian Fundies?!

 

[wuddie]

i strongly, i repeat, strongly disagree with the motion that there is a NEED to stop muslim immigrants. since when do we judge one's personality and character by their religious choice? isn't this exactly what martin luther king was talking about? have we become the hypocrites that we once sworn never to be?

yes there may be a minority of muslims who have become criminals and anti-society, like the few gang rapists and drive-byers, but consider the fact that australia exists as a multicultural nation - if we exclude the benefits of our great nation from muslims, what meaning would multiculture hold? (multiculture - except for muslims?).

put yourself in their shoes, if one day someone comes out saying, we dont want asians, or anglo saxons, or african people coming to australia anymore, how would YOU feel? justified?

anyone in favor of this motion is simply brainless.

 

[Optophobia]

I'm not the one invoking year 10 school work .. lol

because it was learnt in year 10 does not make it false.

I wouldn't dare take anything near your face, however something happening to it like say - a bunch of arabs that you love so much "taking" it to your face, would be quite ironic.

yes, quite ironic.

Then again I suspect you are one of those stay at home socialists.

And i suspect that you are one of those stay at home racists.

I generally lean towards the Libs,

Well there's a surprise.

So naive.

although occasionally Labor does present good competition, as long as they're still anti-gay marriage and all that.

Of course

However I am contemplating voting CDP just to offset and trash the far left vote of the Greens.

k.

And I'm pretty sure I don't really like any of them, the Libs are nearly as crooked as Labor in many ways.

so start up your own political party... You might be able to get 0.000001% of the vote.

I don't vote for parties, I vote for candidates.

Yeh i believe you.

 

[Optophobia]

Pot, kettle, black? Oooh, I said black.

You have just showed how hypocritic you are by saying 'white'. The correct term is Anglo-saxon, use it.

No the correct term is white, because not all white people are anglo saxon.

TwoNiner? The correct term is dickhead, use it.

 

[hermanthebold]

How is it childish? Its pure logic. By letting in muslims you let in:

*A culture which promotes the murder and/or enslavement of all those who are not muslim
*The 10%-30% who are extremist whackjobs, or are otherwise undesirable.
*The highest welfare dependancy group per capita after australian aboriginies
*The lowest male level of education attainment, again after australian aboriginies
*The highest crime rate per capita, especially informal and unrecorded

Now I'm no expert even though I'm an immigrant myself, but there groups of people in world who would probably do better than this for Australia, and wouldn't do things like preach the murder of non-muslims, rape 14 year old girls and make claims that they own Australia.

New plan, let's stop bshoc from entering the nation. We surely need more right wing rasicts.

You can't just lump all Muslims in the same boat and label it "Terrorist Extremist". That is like saying every single Muslim plans to, as part of their faith, become a suicide bomber or pilot or what have you. This is not true. My girlfriend hasn't told me about any plans of that sort . They are not all here to destory Western Civilisation in it's Australian incarnation. They are here to enjoy the freedom of an accepting multicultural and multifaith society. A minority seek to use extreme measures to a faith-lead end, but most Muslims do not take such an extreme interpretation of their holy book.

 

[Optophobia]

Don't worry about him hermanthebold; no body else does, which is exactly why he is the way he is. He has no connection with other people, so he attempts to make one with the nation. He doesn't understand that the thoughts/feelings he has towards muslims now, are the same thoughts/feelings that gold miners in Victoria had towards Asians in the 19th century, are the same thoughts/feelings people had towards wogs in the 70's, are the same thoughts/feelings that people had towards irish in the early 20th century, are the same thoughts/feelings that people have had towards aboriginals ... are the same thoughts and feelings ........ blah blah blah

It's a consequence of Australian transcendental capitalism. A common enemy must always be present. We must always be in a state of fear! We must always be worrying over some threat which is never going to affect us - always working towards something which we will never achieve.

aren't you gay?

No i voted for Fred Niles because he doesn't want Muslims coming in even though immigration is a federal issue, and Fred Niles, like every other conservative politician in this nation, only says this rubbish close to election time to get the votes of morons like bshoc.

 

[HotShot]

it's hugely fucking ironic that islamics are migrating anywhere anyway.
they essentially come from nations that uphold their values, realise they're being oppressed, come here in search of a better life but aren't happy until they can live like their old ways again.
no wonder everyone hates them.

Ok

whats more Ironic is why so many westerner go to islamic country like Dubai.


Only a few very few arent happy here. The same applies to other immigrants as well, indians, pakistanis, chinese, koreans etc etc.