Can someone please tell me how rank effect ur final marks?? (1 Viewer)

[Tammie]

i was just wondering what a rank of 1st and 2nd does to your final marks...it was explained to us earlier but now i have no idea and just wanted to know..thanx

 

[gordo]

i will do an example of a class with 5 students for a particular subejct
this is how the bos calculate your aligned hsc mark

student -- internal mark (sent in by your school)

bob --------------- 80%
bill ---------------- 75%
ben --------------- 78%
brad -------------- 92%
bango ------------ 45%

total INTERNAL pool of marks = 370 (80 +75 + 78...)

now bos issues percentages of your internal mark over the total internal pool of marks

bob ---- 0.216% (80/370)
bill ----- 0.203% (75/370)
ben ----- 0.211% etc
brad ----- 0.249% etc
bango --- 0.122% etc

ok now internals are finished...thats all we need, lets label those percentages - INTERNAL PERCENTAGES

now the students sit the external exam

bob ----- 75%
bill ------- 81%
ben ------ 62%
brad ------ 89%
bango------73%

now we total the EXTERNAL pool of marks = 380 (75+81...)

now to allocate aligned internal assessment marks, each student gets his INTERNAL PERCENTAGE of the total EXTERNAL pool of marks.

lets call these INTERNAL ALGINED MARKS

bob ---- 0.216% x 380 = 82%
bill ----- 0.203% x 380 = 77%
ben ----- 0.211% x 380 = 80%
brad ----- 0.249% x 380 = 95%
bango --- 0.122% x 380 = 46%

now we take 50% of the INTERNAL ALIGNED and 50% of the EXTERNAL mark

bob ------ 37.5 + 41 = 78.5%
bill ------- 40.5 + 38.5 = 79%
ben ------ 31 + 40 = 71%
brad ----- 44.5 + 47.5 = 92%
bango --- 36.5 + 23 = 59.5%

and abracadbra, your hsc aligned mark for that subject



EDIT: had the cohort done worse in the external exam all up, that is the external pool of marks be less than the internal, then overall each person would get a lower aligned internal mark. If the cohort does better and has a higher external pool of marks than internal, then the internal aligned marks will be higher.

hope u understood all that.

in laymans, the cohort usually does about the same in external pool as internal pool because of statistics and numbers, therefore usually the internal aligned marks end up being roughly the external exam marks distributed in rank order.

 

[Lazarus]

I should point out that whilst gordo's method is quite a useful analogy, but the actual processes are different - if you wanted (for some reason) to calculate real moderated assessment marks, this method wouldn't produce the correct results.

But it's a nice, simple way to think about it.

i was just wondering what a rank of 1st and 2nd does to your final marks

Being ranked first guarantees that your assessment mark will be set equal to the top exam mark from your school (regardless of who obtains it). Your own exam mark will remain as whatever you youself scored in the exam.

There's nothing particularly special about being ranked second, except that it means you're closer to first than if you were ranked third etc. And you want to be as close to first as possible.

 

[Tammie]

1 more question pls...

i go to a pretty average school and came 1st in legal and modern ...assessment marks about 92 for legal and 89 for modern....if i get about this in the exam...but every1 else gets below their assessment marks...do i get below my internal assessment mark???....hope this makes sense

 

[superbird]

i go to a pretty average school and came 1st in legal and modern ...assessment marks about 92 for legal and 89 for modern....if i get about this in the exam...but every1 else gets below their assessment marks...do i get below my internal assessment mark???....hope this makes sense

i heard that ur internal assessment mark is basically used to determine ur rank and nothing more. so if u got 40% in ur overall assessment and that was first and in the external exam u achieve 90%, then ur assessment mark will be boosted to 90

 

[gordo]

sub your example into my magic formula

 

[loquasagacious]

I topped CFS with an assessment mark of 93. There were about 4 people who got high 80's but the majority of the class are slack arses and I'd say some got under 50. I very much doubt that I got 93 in the exam. Does that mean that if the average is low, but I still came first in the exam, my exam mark would essentially become my assessment mark and goodbye 93?

 

[Lazarus]

sub your example into my magic formula

You can't do that - it won't produce the correct values.

Mathematically, it's wrong. Conceptually, it's useful.

Does that mean that if the average is low, but I still came first in the exam, my exam mark would essentially become my assessment mark and goodbye 93?

Yes - but that's only fair, or schools would just give their students really high assessment marks so that they're guaranteed to do well.

The HSC exam is used as a statewide 'benchmark'... it's the only way to compare students from different schools.

 

[= Jennifer =]

so really u never find out ur real hsc mark??

 

[matt_f64]

yeah gordos method doesnt work cos say a class of students total assessment marks added to 500, and u got 15% of the marks (assessment mark of 75). we are assuming here that a number of students did really badly and got 20 in their assessments.
in the final exams everyone studies really hard and gets really good marks, all 80s etc. the class total for exams might jump up to say 750. if u take ur 15% of 750 ur moderated assessment mark will be 112.5 and u cant have an assessment mark over 100 so it doesnt really work for classes unless they do similar in exams as they did in assessments.