Capitalism or Communism? (6 Viewers)

[bassistx]

Well, people aren't equal then are they? That's called a hierarchy. Person A will still earn more than person B. Person A has access to luxury services, person B does not. I don't get this bullshit about capping income. Who determines the ratio by which you work out how much more a lawyer is worth than a council worker. How do you determine how much more an ER doctor is worth over a teacher.

I do not know.
But people are equal in that they all have these services, free of charge. They are equal in the sense that they are all at the same level of health and all have the same level of (basic/elementary) education. Quality control is evident in this system.

Now it makes sense why you have this big chip on your shoulder about wealth.

Nothing to do with it, in fact.

...but education already is free, through the public system. I went to public schools all my life, fees were optional, the only things you have to pay for are uniforms, stationery and the odd field trip, none of which are beyond the reach of a capable adult who is working.

Global scale, think outside of Australia.

 

[boris]

lol I keep posting stuff and realise afterwards boris has already made my point

I called you a dude before.

You're a chick. Me too. Maybe we're twins.

 

[bassistx]

We aren't following because your arguments are illogical and incoherent. You're making them hard to follow.

I've been on a global scale since the beginning.
I forgot to mention that. I have now.
Are you following, boris?

 

[fantabulous]

er. EVERYTHING?

because history has already shown it doesn't work? People keep trying to do it and keep failing?

Thats's the past, not the future.

 

[boris]

I've been on a global scale since the beginning.
I forgot to mention that. I have now.
Are you following, boris?

Wow, you are even dumber than originally suspected. A GLOBAL SCALE? I don't have enough years left on this planet to go into detail about why that is a monumentally fucking dumb argument.

 

[boris]

Thats's the past, not the future.

Yeah. Nice logic.

How many times does it have to fail before people stop attempting it in the future?

 

[bassistx]

Wow, you are even dumber than originally suspected. A GLOBAL SCALE? I don't have enough years left on this planet to go into detail about why that is a monumentally fucking dumb argument.

I'll leave you in your misery

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

i'll quote you however i want to

and make up your damn mind, one moment i'm a murderer and in the next breath you're saying you can't stand socialist scum and then you refer to the capitalist scum crew. what the hell?

I wasn't talking to you when I said that, I was talking to ccc123. Is that your troll account?

 

[boris]

I'll leave you in your misery

Don't confuse realistic expectations with misery.

 

[bassistx]

'Cept in truth, Engels worked harder than Marx on the issue. Marx was a fucking lackey - Engels is the man to be concerned with in political economy

What? Engels himself gave all the credit to Marx. He stated this in The Communist Manifesto or afterwards, I can't remember. But check wikipedia, it's all there.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

Thats's the past, not the future.

oh my god.

even my elderly mentally feeble dog will stop walking into the wall when it becomes evident there's no getting past it.

communists, apparently are a different story. "It didn't work the other hundred times we tried. I know, let's try the same shit again."

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

I wasn't talking to you when I said that, I was talking to ccc123. Is that your troll account?

my bad. sorry.

nah i don't have a troll account.

 

[bassistx]

Don't confuse realistic expectations with misery.

Communism is an ideal.
Why are you getting your panties in a knot?

 

[Comrade nathan]

What you are arguing for bassistx is closer to fascism. This distinction between a all powerfull government and then the "people" (which includes all classes) is similar to what the fascist propagated after WW1. The idea that a group of elite people can mantain an equal society for all social classes through absolute government control is disastrous, and leads the fascist nations to always be at war with externel nations and internal ethnicities/nations.

This government can not peacefuly maintain this system of equality. It creates enemies within the occupied territory to allow distractions from it's short commings. It also needs external war for labour and natural resources for the imperialistic bourgeois.

What you promote is utopian. What's worse, is when it fails, it can lead to fascism.

What? Engels himself gave all the credit to Marx. He stated this in The Communist Manifesto or afterwards, I can't remember. But check wikipedia, it's all there.

Wikipedia is idealist. At best it may have trotskyist influences, this however works to cover up the achievements of real Communist movements. Look beyond wikipedia.

 

[boris]

Communism is an ideal.
Why are you getting your panties in a knot?

And it's a fucking dumb ideal because as soon as you start thinking about it with any sort of logic it automatically cancels itself out AND FAILS.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

It wasn't communism that didn't work, it was the governments that implemented it. And as far as I'm concerned, apart from the death squads (which weren't really an integral part of communism, beyond a news headline POV), Cuba's communism has worked decently. Same with Vietnam. If the rest of the capitalist world hadn't place embargos upon those countries or waged war on them I'm sure they'd be fairly healthy and well off.

 

[bassistx]

And it's a fucking dumb ideal because as soon as you start thinking about it with any sort of logic it automatically cancels itself out AND FAILS.

Did you keep missing the part about dictatorship?
You think Communists are dumb. But in fact, for Communism to work, you would need a fairly educated and advanced society.

EDIT: Refer to above post.

Wtf? Fascism? You're twisting everything!

 

[boris]

Did you keep missing the part about dictatorship?
You think Communists are dumb. But in fact, for Communism to work, you would need a fairly educated and advanced society.

EDIT: Refer to above post.

Wtf? Fascism? You're twisting everything!

No, what you're asking is for a group of people to disregard hedonism and other value theories; or simplified for you, you're asking for human beings to lose what makes them intrinsically human.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

BoS communist krew unite.

Where's josie?

you're asking for human beings to lose what makes them intrinsically human.

You're a fool.

 

[Smithereens]

But check wikipedia, it's all there.

lol.