Children in Detention (1 Viewer)

[braindrainedAsh]

For anyone that has any sort of opinion on detention centres and children in detention, visit this site:

www.chilout.org

I found it while doing research for a feature story I am writing on children in detention. I can't believe we do this in our so called democratic nation.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

For anyone that has any sort of opinion on detention centres and children in detention, visit this site:

www.chilout.org

I found it while doing research for a feature story I am writing on children in detention. I can't believe we do this in our so called democratic nation.

What else do you want to do with the kids? You can't just let them free. And only 2 of them are unaccompanied. I think that maybe the unaccompanied children should have their situations looked at first, but the others are with their parents.

You are moron if you believe what idiots like the people who write that website tell you.

 

[braindrainedAsh]

What else do you want to do with the kids? You can't just let them free. And only 2 of them are unaccompanied. I think that maybe the unaccompanied children should have their situations looked at first, but the others are with their parents.

You are moron if you believe what idiots like the people who write that website tell you.

The unaccompanied children should be in foster care, not in detention.

Also if you took time to read a lot of the website you would see that the website is well referenced with information from a large variety of sources.... it's not just them spouting their opinion.

If you took time to read the site then you would have read how some children are not unaccompanied, however their parents are in a different detention centre or different part of a detention centre to them so they are by themselves.

If you read the site you would read how asylum seekers etc are dealt with in foreign countries (who recieve a far larger no of "illegals" every year than Aust).... they manage to have systems where children and families are not detained. Why can't we do it here?

Read some of the site before you throw the word moron around, unless you are too scared to challenge your own beliefs by reading it.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

The unaccompanied children should be in foster care, not in detention.

Also if you took time to read a lot of the website you would see that the website is well referenced with information from a large variety of sources.... it's not just them spouting their opinion.

If you took time to read the site then you would have read how some children are not unaccompanied, however their parents are in a different detention centre or different part of a detention centre to them so they are by themselves.

If you read the site you would read how asylum seekers etc are dealt with in foreign countries (who recieve a far larger no of "illegals" every year than Aust).... they manage to have systems where children and families are not detained. Why can't we do it here?

Read some of the site before you throw the word moron around, unless you are too scared to challenge your own beliefs by reading it.

They came to Australia illegally, so they gout put in a detention centre. I think thats fair enough. A couple years in a detention centre is a small price to pay to get let into Australia. I don't care if they are kids or not.

Websites like that often have the best arguments because they are trying to prove their ideas to people. Common sense does not have a website. No one has the time to go and make a website arguing against the ideas of people like that.

 

[braindrainedAsh]

A) They did not come to Australia illegally
From ChilOut: People who arrive on our shores without prior authorisation from Australia, with no documents, or false documents are not illegal. They are asylum seekers – a legal status under International Law.

B) Time in a detention centre a small price to pay? When these children witness self harm of adults, are called by their number instead of their names, and are in an environment devoid of stimulation to develop their cognitive skills? Many young children in detention regress dramatically, leaving them "backward" and emotionally scarred. Read some of the stories of children on the site, then you will see what price these families pay.

Common sense would say that we should not psychologically damage children when there is no real need to do this if the Aust govt was willing to look at other solutions. If you can read those stories on the website (and other places too, not just the chilout site) and not be moved in some way then I truly question whether you have any compassion or empathy.

 

[paper cup]

oh I did them for my human rights abuses thing in legal - my essays up in the legal forum

 

[SashatheMan]

What else do you want to do with the kids? You can't just let them free. And only 2 of them are unaccompanied. I think that maybe the unaccompanied children should have their situations looked at first, but the others are with their parents.

You are moron if you believe what idiots like the people who write that website tell you.

relax they treat them better there then our prischools. they are having the best time of theri lives

 

[iamsickofyear12]

A) They did not come to Australia illegally
From ChilOut: People who arrive on our shores without prior authorisation from Australia, with no documents, or false documents are not illegal. They are asylum seekers – a legal status under International Law.

B) Time in a detention centre a small price to pay? When these children witness self harm of adults, are called by their number instead of their names, and are in an environment devoid of stimulation to develop their cognitive skills? Many young children in detention regress dramatically, leaving them "backward" and emotionally scarred. Read some of the stories of children on the site, then you will see what price these families pay.

Common sense would say that we should not psychologically damage children when there is no real need to do this if the Aust govt was willing to look at other solutions. If you can read those stories on the website (and other places too, not just the chilout site) and not be moved in some way then I truly question whether you have any compassion or empathy.

a) So what they are asylum seekers. That doesn't mean you can just set them free so they can do whatever they want.

b) It's not Australias fault that the adults are self harming themselves.

c) So what if they are called a number. I've always had numbers. HSC:14997784 Uni:2953250

d) "Many young children in detention regress dramatically, leaving them "backward" and emotionally scarred." I don't believe thats true. And imagine how emotionally scarred they would be if they would have stayed in their own country, a detention centre beats that.

e) I'm not reading the stories. They are probably mostly lies.

f) I don't have any compassion or empathy. Absolutely none.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

A) They did not come to Australia illegally
From ChilOut: People who arrive on our shores without prior authorisation from Australia, with no documents, or false documents are not illegal. They are asylum seekers – a legal status under International Law.

B) Time in a detention centre a small price to pay? When these children witness self harm of adults, are called by their number instead of their names, and are in an environment devoid of stimulation to develop their cognitive skills? Many young children in detention regress dramatically, leaving them "backward" and emotionally scarred. Read some of the stories of children on the site, then you will see what price these families pay.

Common sense would say that we should not psychologically damage children when there is no real need to do this if the Aust govt was willing to look at other solutions. If you can read those stories on the website (and other places too, not just the chilout site) and not be moved in some way then I truly question whether you have any compassion or empathy.

They are asylum seekers, but they have come here illegally untill it is determined that they have refugee status...

For children I am unsure, i'm not exactly sure if it is right to separate children from their families, I guess if there are family members in the country to look after them that should be an option, but i don't agree with foster care.

The only problem i have with detention at the moment is the ammount of time people are locked up for, i would like to see that reduced, but as for the conditions and wether they should be locked up I say yes.

 

[katie_tully]

omg oh no, we should pat them on the head the poor pets and allow them to be fostered out to a good family, for coming here illegaly. PURELY because they shouldn't be locked up ...

meanwhile, that homeless child who was born in this country can continue turning to crime and such for survival instead of being embraced by the government and fostered.

of course, then you'd all whinge that the children are being seperated from their family's, etc, etc.

l

 

[MuffinMan]

man just make the deporting process faster

 

[Stan..]

They are illegal immigrants, There are thousands of other people in hundreds of countries waiting patiently for refugee status to be given to them. These guys just turn up and expect to recieve it automatically, Bullshit. They should have waited and are now in detension, Why does anyone care?

This is another crybaby story made up by these stupid groups of people who want these people to be granted refugee status for turning up in the first place. If children are born in detension, they should be shipped back to wherever they came from to be with their families.

 

[IamaFloorMat]

kinda takes the fun out of arriving legally

seriously it is not easy to come here LEGALLY, there has to be a bloody shortage in a particular occupational area...

so really its not that fair to them..

 

[Stan..]

You seem to assume that none of the people in detention are legit refugees. That assumption is wrong for a number of them do gain refugee status.

Refugee status would not be granted to the personal if you can actually wait in another country. The very fact that you can wait in another country indicates that you are not being persecuted.

Not many refugees come through Sydney Airport.



Again you seem to assume everyone in 'detention' is not a legit refugee.

It's nice to Australia has a whole is not sympathetic AT ALL to the difficult positions people are in. It only shows how insular we are as a nation. Fear of all foreign things and totally unsympathetic. There seems to be a presumption in favour of these people being bad rather than legit refugees amoung the posters here.

If I were not mistaken a number of the people here share the view of the Swiss government. Perhaps one of the most racist and insular governments in the world.

Your right, There will always be the ones whose story checks out and overall it is a injustice by the Australian Government. Yet, there are others whose story dosen't. It is a generalisation.

 

[Stan..]

It is sad that Australia seems to show no sympathy for these people who are STATELESS. Who are locked up in limbo because they have no country.

It is sad that no one has ANY sympathy for those who did come here illegally, often based on bad advice of con artists. Those who sold ALL THEY HAD in the HOPE TO START A NEW LIFE. They have NO SYMPATHY for the difficult situation these people are in. They are often very hateful towards these people.

In most cases these people came here with good intentions based on bad advice of con arists who made them sell the lot. It's gut wrenchingly sad that Australia as a whole feels that it is ok to rubbish these people like they have no rights and do not exist and do not deserve a single bit of taxpayers money. It is an indicative of Australia's well documented insular attitude to all things foreign. The 'I only give a fuck about myself' attitude that has swept in with large 4WD's, Hillsong and the Howard government. And hey. We only cared about people in detention when it was the blonde Canadian girl from the Cougars TV add that ended up in detention

Instead we get Australian's that are TOTALLY unsympathetic and in fact cruel and hateful.

I wouldn't say totally unsympathetic. But, Your entitled to your opinion as is everyone.

 

[champ_sammy_19]

I'm doing a similar topic in my client services/human rights/social justice class. And I have to say that a large number of people in those detention centres are genuine refugees. (around 80%) Personally I do not support the idea of children purely due to the psychological implications on those children throughout life. Alot of them develop chronic depression and also suffer social, emotional and mental development issues (which therefore lead to self-harm issues i.e self mutlation & shampoo swallowing)

In places such as Sweeden (who btw take in far more Asylum seekers than Austraila) the maxium period of time for a child to be detained is six days, then after that time they are placed in more suitable care till a decision is made on their visa.
Another thing to remember is that alot of these asylum seekers have no other way to flea the situation in their country because either they cant afford the correct documentation (more often than not whole communities put together all they have to send a famlily to safety) The other reason is because of govenment controls not letting their citizens travel freely & seek residencey in other country (which is a breach of international human rights) Often those found leaving the country for whatever reason face prosicution by their govenment.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Would that not be grounds for the granting of refuegee status? Considering the emotional scaring you suggest they may get if their stayed in their orginal country.

In actual fact it is not. But all you have done is suggest a reason in favour of them gaining refugee status.

I'm not trying to say they shouldn't gain refugee status, but they should have to wait in detention centres while it's decided if they get it or not.