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Aligned marks are based on band cut-offs, but how does the committee quantitatively determine what raw mark belongs to an aligned mark of something such as 92 or 93? Are raw marks evenly distributed between the cut-offs? E.g. If 60/100 get 80 (aligned) and 80/100 gets 90 (aligned), then would 70/100 necessarily get 85 (aligned)?

Also, could several different raw marks attain the same aligned mark? For instance, could both a raw mark of 117/120 and 118/120 attain an aligned mark of 99? Or would the 117/120 automatically attain an aligned mark <99?
 

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Is there really much point in aligning marks to an accuracy of 0.1? I put some marks into SAM, and 0.1-0.5 barely makes a difference to the overall UAI estimate.
So in other words, 117/120 could be 98.6, while 118/120 could be 98.9? Both would be reported as 99.
 

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But when you are considering there is only 40 or so people per .05 moving up one or two spots in that could change your UAI.
 

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~ ReNcH ~ said:
Are raw marks evenly distributed between the cut-offs?
Yes. A simple linear transformation is used to interpolate marks between cut-offs.

I'll demonstrate it using your example. You know that 60 is aligned to 80, and that 80 is aligned to 90. We therefore have two pairs of marks corresponding to the endpoints: (60, 80) and (80, 90). The raw mark is the x-coordinate, and the aligned mark is the y-coordinate. The straight line through these two points provides the relationship between all raw and aligned marks that fall within that band.

There is a separate straight line for each band, because each band has its own endpoints.


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Also, could several different raw marks attain the same aligned mark? For instance, could both a raw mark of 117/120 and 118/120 attain an aligned mark of 99? Or would the 117/120 automatically attain an aligned mark <99?
It depends on the precision used. The Board transforms raw marks directly to aligned marks, and hence the aligned mark corresponding to a raw mark of 117/120 is technically less than the aligned mark corresponding to a raw mark of 118/120. But as jm123 said, because aligned marks are rounded to the nearest integer, it appears as though the two raw marks correspond to the same aligned mark.


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Is there really much point in aligning marks to an accuracy of 0.1? I put some marks into SAM, and 0.1-0.5 barely makes a difference to the overall UAI estimate.
So in other words, 117/120 could be 98.6, while 118/120 could be 98.9? Both would be reported as 99.
This is largely dependent on the magnitude of the aligned mark - an additional 0.1 will make a much larger contribution when the aligned mark is below 50 than when the aligned mark is above 90, for example.

In practice, little is achieved by using the extra precision. I only use it when attempting to determine a particular percentile or scaled mark exactly.
 

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Yes. A simple linear transformation is used to interpolate marks between cut-offs.

I'll demonstrate it using your example. You know that 60 is aligned to 80, and that 80 is aligned to 90. We therefore have two pairs of marks corresponding to the endpoints: (60, 80) and (80, 90). The raw mark is the x-coordinate, and the aligned mark is the y-coordinate. The straight line through these two points provides the relationship between all raw and aligned marks that fall within that band.

There is a separate straight line for each band, because each band has its own endpoints.
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is that so? so that the scaling data the UAC gives is basicly perfectally accurate
 

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jm1234567890 said:
is that so? so that the scaling data the UAC gives is basicly perfectally accurate
Not quite.

A linear transformation is used to turn raw marks into aligned marks.

A complicated non-linear transformation is used to turn raw marks into scaled marks.

There is no strict relationship between aligned and scaled marks.
 

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Lazarus said:
Not quite.

A linear transformation is used to turn raw marks into aligned marks.

A complicated non-linear transformation is used to turn raw marks into scaled marks.

There is no strict relationship between aligned and scaled marks.
The Board publishes a table showing what aligned mark corresponded to which scaled mark for particular percentiles. Does that mean you can't really accurately predict scaled marks from aligned marks between those published "thresholds"?
 

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Does that mean you can't really accurately predict scaled marks from aligned marks between those published "thresholds"?
You can only approximate them, with varying success.
 

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Suppose the raw cut-off for a Band 6 in Ext 1 Maths is 60/84. What other "end-point" do they use to determine the aligned marks between 90 and 100? Do they aalways use the point (84,100) or do they determine a raw mark that deserves an aligned mark of 99 and use that as the "end-point", such as (81,99)?
 

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As a raw mark of 100% always translates to an aligned mark of 100%, this is always the uppermost endpoint.

Theoretically, this also means that marks in the top band (and the bottom band) aren't truly comparable from year to year. But they're treated as though they are.
 

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Lazarus said:
As a raw mark of 100% always translates to an aligned mark of 100%, this is always the uppermost endpoint.

Theoretically, this also means that marks in the top band (and the bottom band) aren't truly comparable from year to year. But they're treated as though they are.
In the end, it would actually only make a negligible difference though wouldn't it? Maybe 0.1-0.5 a mark?
 

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