Alimoe_KG
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Why the hell do people keep making these threads? All you have to do is like scroll down and you see another one.
I disagree with some parts of Natstar and LaraB's comments. According to you two, the name of the uni doesn't matter, it's the marks you get, the industry experience etc. As long as you score high in those areas, bam, USYDers and UNSWers and UTSers don't have shit on you. But perhaps those USYDers and UNSWers and UTSers also got big ticks in those areas?
We have 2 applicants for a job: A D average student from UWS and a D average student from UNSW/USYD/etc. Both have strong work experience and both are engaging personalities.
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Who does the employer choose? Are you sure that the Uni name won't have an influence? Are you sure the UWSer won't be disadvantaged? I think the UWSer will get pwned.
If uni names didn't matter, than employers will choose an HD honours student from UWS over a P (or equivalent) student from Harvard. But as if the employers that stupid.
Furthermore, you two keep referring to that ninemsn guy and you keep talking about your own secure career prospects. But like wtf. That's 3 people. I have no doubt that Natstar and LaraB are doing exceedingly welll at uni, but most UWSers aren't as brilliant. Just as every uni has its HD students, every uni has its P students. And i'd much rather be a P student at a prestige uni than one from UWS.
The arguments of you two are based on the assumption that if you go to UWS and do brilliantly and have good work experience to back the academic side up, you can compete easily with prestige uni students. It is also based on the assumption that USYD/UNSW students will all score lower marks and will all have pitiful work experience when compared to you. Like wtf?
Maybe you two won't be disadvantaged as UWS graduates. But UWS has more students than that. And it's hard to believe that people entering USYD/UNSW with high HSC marks and high UAIs will suddenly roll over and die while those going into UWS with generally lower marks and UAIs that are often reflective of their work ethic will suddenly get inspired into academic brilliance.
Yes, UWSers will be employed and will have career prospects. But what kind of careers are we talking about here. How many UWS graduates do you see at the upper echelons of business? Yeah UWS students willl have great career prospects, but USYD/UNSW graduates can generally expected much greater ones. Maybe businesses who are biased again UWS graduates are slack and should go to hell, but it's just business.
Finally, UWS is financially in a shithole last i heard. Unis like UNSW and USYD are Go8 which means they generally get more funding and have unmatchable facilities. Money buys the best teachers and the best equipment, which facilitates an environment that can produce the better graduates.
Yeah it's pretty stupid to say that UWS degrees aren't worth the paper they're on or to say UWS graduates are doomed to pack my groceries. Even people going to Tafe or not going on to higher education at all get employed with some going into successful careers. But who the fuck are we kidding, you probably aren't that kind of person. The reality is, the cohort at UWS is probably less intellectually stimulating than that of other unis. I think it wouldn't be wrong to say that individual determination and work isn't enough on its own, you need smart people around you who you can bounce ideas off and you need facilities that can help you solve your problems. UWS has a few smart cookies like (i think) LaraB, Natstar and NTB but hey, how many smart hardworking people do you know in your class?
I would just like to conclude my long fucking essay that no one will ever read by saying that when we say UWS is shit, we're not saying that you can't still succeed if you go in there and work hard and get your HD averages or whatever, we're just saying you probably won't. And it's probably better to do shit at a prestige uni than do shit at a shit uni.
P.S. Why the fuck is Law at UWS under the School of Business or whatever? It's shit like that that makes even the most open-minded person think twice about coming to UWS.
I disagree with some parts of Natstar and LaraB's comments. According to you two, the name of the uni doesn't matter, it's the marks you get, the industry experience etc. As long as you score high in those areas, bam, USYDers and UNSWers and UTSers don't have shit on you. But perhaps those USYDers and UNSWers and UTSers also got big ticks in those areas?
We have 2 applicants for a job: A D average student from UWS and a D average student from UNSW/USYD/etc. Both have strong work experience and both are engaging personalities.
...
Who does the employer choose? Are you sure that the Uni name won't have an influence? Are you sure the UWSer won't be disadvantaged? I think the UWSer will get pwned.
If uni names didn't matter, than employers will choose an HD honours student from UWS over a P (or equivalent) student from Harvard. But as if the employers that stupid.
Furthermore, you two keep referring to that ninemsn guy and you keep talking about your own secure career prospects. But like wtf. That's 3 people. I have no doubt that Natstar and LaraB are doing exceedingly welll at uni, but most UWSers aren't as brilliant. Just as every uni has its HD students, every uni has its P students. And i'd much rather be a P student at a prestige uni than one from UWS.
The arguments of you two are based on the assumption that if you go to UWS and do brilliantly and have good work experience to back the academic side up, you can compete easily with prestige uni students. It is also based on the assumption that USYD/UNSW students will all score lower marks and will all have pitiful work experience when compared to you. Like wtf?
Maybe you two won't be disadvantaged as UWS graduates. But UWS has more students than that. And it's hard to believe that people entering USYD/UNSW with high HSC marks and high UAIs will suddenly roll over and die while those going into UWS with generally lower marks and UAIs that are often reflective of their work ethic will suddenly get inspired into academic brilliance.
Yes, UWSers will be employed and will have career prospects. But what kind of careers are we talking about here. How many UWS graduates do you see at the upper echelons of business? Yeah UWS students willl have great career prospects, but USYD/UNSW graduates can generally expected much greater ones. Maybe businesses who are biased again UWS graduates are slack and should go to hell, but it's just business.
Finally, UWS is financially in a shithole last i heard. Unis like UNSW and USYD are Go8 which means they generally get more funding and have unmatchable facilities. Money buys the best teachers and the best equipment, which facilitates an environment that can produce the better graduates.
Yeah it's pretty stupid to say that UWS degrees aren't worth the paper they're on or to say UWS graduates are doomed to pack my groceries. Even people going to Tafe or not going on to higher education at all get employed with some going into successful careers. But who the fuck are we kidding, you probably aren't that kind of person. The reality is, the cohort at UWS is probably less intellectually stimulating than that of other unis. I think it wouldn't be wrong to say that individual determination and work isn't enough on its own, you need smart people around you who you can bounce ideas off and you need facilities that can help you solve your problems. UWS has a few smart cookies like (i think) LaraB, Natstar and NTB but hey, how many smart hardworking people do you know in your class?
I would just like to conclude my long fucking essay that no one will ever read by saying that when we say UWS is shit, we're not saying that you can't still succeed if you go in there and work hard and get your HD averages or whatever, we're just saying you probably won't. And it's probably better to do shit at a prestige uni than do shit at a shit uni.
P.S. Why the fuck is Law at UWS under the School of Business or whatever? It's shit like that that makes even the most open-minded person think twice about coming to UWS.