Do you think people who go to USYD are snobs. (1 Viewer)

[lukebennett]

lainee-im not attacking lawyers, im just saying I DONT LIKE THE PROFESSION. its not for me cause of what i have said just as you have said about doctors and engineers etc.

i know law has an important function but that doesnt mean i have to like or think it is a nice profession. i know lawyers have a fucking duty to defend their client. that is not what i am saying. i just dont like innocent people being proven guilty or the other way around and if i new that i was sending an inoocent person to gaol id be really beside myself. i would not be able to live with my conscience knowing someone is in gaol and that ive stuffed up a family. i couldnt have that as a career even if i save people who were innocent from gaol. you cant get pissed off at me for that

calm down. i have respect for lawyer. but not for the nature of the profession and understand it has a crucial function.

ironic you dont seem to see that engineering, accounting and medicine are highly complex and respect that as you see the complexities of law

 

[LoneShadow]

*wonders what the thread was for when it was born*................

 

[Lainee]

I'm so sorry Josh, I think I just turned this discussion in a law debate. Ayy...

Ron McCallum is very good. He does favour arts law though. When he gave the speech to our year he said arts law made better more well rounded lawyers.

However Usyd law is in many ways elitist and old school. It has taken it 30 years to change it's teaching structure!!!!!

Dont be fooled by the usyd facade. Those wood benches in the lecture halls don't look like fun nor air they air conned.

Yeah, actually I did consider Arts/Law (contrary to popular opinion, alot of Commerce/Law people actually did put thought into their course decision, weighing up pros and cons and everything!) but while I would've loved History and Philosophy, I needed something that would let me use the other side of my brain as well. Also, I think I'm entrepreneurial material - not bank teller type - and that would allow me to utilise problem solving skills and creativity.

Elitist - I don't think so. If a school (can you call uni 'school'?) can back up it's belief that it offers superior teaching and learning than it's no longer elitist. I believe that it does back this up, but if I turn out to be wrong I'll probably think of transfering. My second choice would've been ANU however (based on my own criteria), not UNSW (for my own reasons, UNSW's law school sounds excellent).

Old-school - Honestly, as long as they believe that a Asian, female from a socially disadvantaged environment will not face old-school restrictions opposed to, say, a white, male anglican then I have nothing to complain about.

lainee-im not attacking lawyers, im just saying I DONT LIKE THE PROFESSION.

But... lawyers are people who have law as their profession...?!

i know law has an important function but that doesnt mean i have to like or think it is a nice profession.

I know becoming a lawyer is not going to make people like me very much... or respect me for my talent (hopefully) or effort I put into it. When did the law profession start being portrayed so negative (Asq - you're older than me, what do you think? )?

i know lawyers have a fucking duty to defend their client. that is not what i am saying. i just dont like innocent people being proven guilty or the other way around and if i new that i was sending an inoocent person to gaol id be really beside myself. calm down. i have respect for lawyer. but not for the nature of the profession and understand it has a crucial function.

And lawyers are all insensitive people who manipulate the law for their own purposes? They're specialists in the law, but there's nothing that says the nature of the profession calls for immorality.

 

[lukebennett]

But... lawyers are people who have law as their profession...?!



I know becoming a lawyer is not going to make people like me very much... or respect me for my talent (hopefully) or effort I put into it. When did the law profession start being portrayed so negative (Asq - you're older than me, what do you think? )?



And lawyers are all insensitive people who manipulate the law for their own purposes? They're specialists in the law, but there's nothing that says the nature of the profession calls for immorality.

yeah well i respect that people have to fill the role or profession of lawyer. i dont like what they have to do but someone has to do it. i dont have to like the profession just like you may not like how doctors deal with blood and guts.

i respect lawyers for what they do cause its a hard job. many are very clever and i admire that.

i think the bad reputation comes mostly cause of pay outs which occur willy nilly and send people broke. there are huge holes in the law and people suffer cause clients are greedy sometimes (often claims are very legitimate).

i know that lawyers manipulate the law but its what they have to do. the profession doesnt call for immorality but it does occur and to defend your client it may be necessary. its part of the profession. you find holes in the law and often have to use that.

 

[Lainee]

yeah well i respect that people have to fill the role or profession of lawyer. i dont like what they have to do but someone has to do it. i dont have to like the profession just like you may not like how doctors deal with blood and guts.

You see, saying that is alot different from: "i think law is a really not nice profession. id hate to have to work for a guilty person and send someone innocent to gaol."

At least be happy that capital sentencing isn't avaliable in Australia... no having to bring the innocent convictees back to life.

You know... I've just thought of a better way you could have phrased all that and maybe save yourself from a lot of strife - 'I would never want to be a lawyer. I would never get over the guilt if I sent the wrong person to jail or had to defend a guilty person.' :uhhuh: Cause that I kind of agree with.

 

[lukebennett]

You see, saying that is alot different from: "i think law is a really not nice profession. id hate to have to work for a guilty person and send someone innocent to gaol."

At least be happy that capital sentencing isn't avaliable in Australia... no having to bring the innocent convictees back to life.

You know... I've just thought of a better way you could have phrased all that and maybe save yourself from a lot of strife - 'I would never want to be a lawyer. I would never get over the guilt if I sent the wrong person to jail or had to defend a guilty person.' :uhhuh: Cause that I kind of agree with.

maybe i could have said it a bit clearer, but saying "I THINK its a really not nice profession" isnt that hard to take in and understand. and "ID hate to work for a guilty person and send someone innocent to gaol". i never once said i hated lawyers either. or it IS a really not nice profession.

strife? pfft. i said a small message and youve responded several times i think the strife is even both ways while im not attacking you im just trying to get you to understand i dont like law but i have no problem with lawyers. you just read a whole lot more into what i said cause you felt like picking an argument (good sign though in all seriousness if you are going to be a good lawyer).

btw do you know how many lawyers also hate their profession for the reasons i just stated?

try rephrasing your whole thing about engineers, accountants and doctors perhaps. "HATE" is a very strong word to use particularly if you are picking on someone elses tact. without doctors people would be living half as many years and would barely get any where with a law degree before being half dead.

 

[ur_inner_child]

i'm now a sydney uni student, doing b music, and i ain't snobbing no one except rat high-school pre-pubescent twits that stack the lip gloss on.

 

[lukebennett]

i'm now a sydney uni student, doing b music, and i ain't snobbing no one except rat high-school pre-pubescent twits that stack the lip gloss on.

my school was home to the lip gloss bitches with their alarms that go off every 5 min to reapply their lip gloss.

most didnt get into usyd thank god.

 

[Lainee]

maybe i could have said it a bit clearer, but saying I THINK its a really not nice profession isnt that hard to take in and understand. and ID hate to work for a guilty person and send someone innocent to gaol. i never once said i hated lawyers either.

But saying that you don't like innocent people being sent to jail etc. has a different shade of meaning to what I suggested. What I thought you had suggested was that that is all lawyers do - send innocent people to jail - and made it was a part of their profession to do so. What I said in response, was to instead focus on the positive roles lawyers can play in society and hope you understand that I'm looking to join this profession not because I lack morality and will send innocent people to jail just because I am paid to do it. That was what I hoped I had conveyed...

strife? pfft. i said a small message and youve responded several times i think the strife is even both ways while im not attacking you im just trying to get you to understand i dont like law but i have no problem with lawyers. you just read a whole lot more into what i said. btw do you know how many lawyers also hate their profession for the reasons i just stated?

I responded several times because I felt the need to correct what I thought was an inaccurate perception of lawyers. If that wasn't what you were infering than either 1. I must have misread what you wrote or 2. you were not clear enough.

I do know that some lawyers find their profession very tiresome because... well... lawyers aren't perceived very well at all. And yes, I do know that some lawyers hate their profession because of reasons that you stated - but I also do know lawyers who find their work very rewarding (a family friend who worked for many years in migration law to get stranded Vietnamese migrants into countries that would accept them and others).

try rephrasing your whole thing about engineers, accountants and doctors perhaps. HATE is a very strong word to use particularly if you are picking on someone elses tact. without doctors people would be living half as many years and would barely get any where with a law degree before being half dead.

I'm sorry for that, I was actually been sarcastic. Guess sarcasm doesn't work well for me. I was just trying to illustrate the importance of lawyers - just any other profession in society like engineering and medical work.

I certainly wasn't trying to be patronising when I suggested that it could have been phrased differently,

 

[lukebennett]

ok. im over this now. understand what you are saying and you me. sorry about being arguementative but this always happens when im with another argumentative person lol

 

[mr EaZy]

i used to think of some USYD people as snobs, but its not as bad as i first thought
but snobs exist in all unis, and USYD is such a great place to hang out- wat else can u expect

 

[lukebennett]

true that........i saw some really snobby people but not a whole lot.

oh congrats lainee on your 2nd box

 

[Lainee]

ok. im over this now. understand what you are saying and you me. sorry about being arguementative but this always happens when im with another argumentative person lol

I am not argumentative! Heheh joking joking!

i used to think of some USYD people as snobs, but its not as bad as i first thought
but snobs exist in all unis, and USYD is such a great place to hang out- wat else can u expect

Ahhh, words of wisdom.



EDIT: Ooh I didn't notice that! 2nd box! This calls for a celebration! *does little celebration dance*

 

[mr EaZy]

true that........i saw some really snobby people but not a whole lot.

oh congrats lainee on your 2nd box

oooh i got 96

 

[aditya]

maaan, stop bagging out usyd...

firstly asuqitihan or wateva the puck ur name is, u tosser, only the initial enrollemnt is not online sydney uni has a sophisticated web system that allows students to change everything and anything anytime they like after that one day.

I don't know the reasons for having that one day, firstly, i liked that day, for me the lines we'rent that long, secondl y i got to see the campus and everythign and thirdly i got to interact with advisors wen i chose my course. This last poitn gave me a much better perspective on choosing subjects - alto of the usnw people i know have been in complete confusion over what and what not they are allowed.

So don't say shit about usydeny, especialli incorrect shit because i have to go there, i have to graduate from there and i dunt want ANYONE saying bad shit about it that is incorrect or not entirely correct. Be fkn sure of what u say, because that rumour starts here and spreads, and then becomes a reputation - this isnt a threat, im just requresting u to understand, we both goto the best unis in nsw, the top in australia and comeptitive in the world, so why argue about enrollment and damage each others reputation.

and alsoe how in the living world is usyd scary.... ur gonna be a lawyer u &%&*%&% how can u say that, what kind of pussy are u.... HOW IS IT SCARY U LOSER EXPLAIN IT TO ME!!!! omg

the onyl thing scary about it is walking through redfern, which i heard isnt that scary anyway!

university of sydney has a better gym in fact it has 2 gyms and the one i saw was pretty damn good, and cheap... btw how much is the unsw gym per yr for undergrad???

unviersity of sydney has the best sporting thign in nsw, union team comes top, circket team comes top so stop talking about pros and cons....

unsw engineering course is a piece of shit compared to usyds..... "practical teaching" practical teaching is for the weak minded, if u cant enjoy what ur learning u cant apply it anwyay, so u goto uts or unsw to be taught those things that genius peopel have come up with. USYD gives u two years of theory then advanced courses that requrie u to have substantial theoretical knowledge.

i udnerstand that usnw has more of a balance than uts (which is just ridiculously "practical" for example they teach "object orientated design" in the first semester of study whereas its a 3XXX or 4XXX elective at sydney).

unsw's "maths 1a" is garbage.... its just one step above 4unit hsc - u compare it with linear algebra and differential caclucus and ull be astouned by the depth of usydeny.

differential calcuus alone is a bit higher than maths 1A at unsw.... and its only 3cp.

i can go on about usyds greatness, but ill end it on a theory I have - snobbiness is ok.... its ok... y should ihave to socialise with someone that doesnt have the same interests as me.

Im talking in perspective of the rich, the fashion conscious. Y shoudl they have to socialise with you.... if they dunt like u, because ur not as wealthy as them, u wear different clothes from them, then dunt worry!!! ur not gonna like them anyway... BUT, saying that, if you need help and they decline because they thing they're above u, then its bad.... im sure there are very few of these people in society, and possibly there are more at usyd than anywhere else - but hey! i like that about usyd, im nto gonna get along with those peopel anyway so y not have them improving or sustaining our strong reputation.

But i know one thing, by just going to usyd u wunt have substantialli imrpoved employment prosectives.... the good companies are say 5 in each industry (IT, accoutning, investment banks, law firms) so say these 5 recruit on average 30 each, thats 150 people....

10 peopel from each uni will be presidents of some significant society, will play sport and will have high grades – these people will be undeniable, regardless of the uni they goto.... those 10 x 10 unis are in.... thats 100 places gone.... so 50 places, maybe the reputation wise unis will have a slight advantage in GETTING an interview, good grades are mch more important to the top than what uni u goto, BUT, if uws student has strong result of a D average and a UNSW or usyd student has a D avg, then obviously (all other things being equal – yes I like economics ) unsw or usyd student will whipe out not only the uws student, but also the mac, and the uts student… but that’s with everything beign equal… which it never will be… but im just talking about interview stage.

so i guess, it all comes down to hwo serious the whole population gets.... if everyone at usyd and unsw is career orientated, gets great grades, does community service, participates in leadership programs - then yes... yes yes yes yes yesyes, its an advantage going to these unis - and that coudl very well happen.... but regardless, the top students, the top participants will not suffer. So if u like uws, then go there, but make sure u remember ur competition.

but yeh, unsw is a great uni, but usyd is equalyl if not more great (the difference wunt be much - but i think if ur a good student, a smart, studious hardworking student - which im not but hope to become - then usyd is 10fold better than usnw... because the teaching is more sophisticated in the sense it challenges its students to look outside the boundaries very earli, that academic maturity will be overlooked in more practical course structures..... if uts students that are intelligent never do linear algebra early they may not reach their full potential, and employers hu have gone to usyd, and have worked with those from uts may rightfully “discriminate” – this last point is pure speculation.

This practical impractical thing is only better in those more “quantititative” courses, accounting ive always felt is best at unsw, however when I was deciding on my major I discarded accounting purely cuz im doing a double degree and the units required for CA accredited courses are too many (something like 11 courses – each course being like 8 credit points at usyd) – here I discovered that the CA accredited subjects are either based directly on the usyds subjects or the other way around – the ca site says something like – financial accounting, management accounting, auditing, computing, corporate finance and law transactions – usyd courses are labelled – financial acocuting a, finaincial accounting b, management accounting a and b, auditing, information systems and analys, corporate finance and 3 law subjects…

If u dunt believe me go look for urself… I dunt lie and im not biased…. (and im definitely not a snob, even though I dunt blame people for being one, I like having as many friends as I can, I just get upset wen people are so ignorant…)

BUT, econoemtrics - usyd is MUCH better (again look for urself), finance if u count in some finance related MATH units then USYD again is much better, but, even if u dunt, usyd is much mroe specialised, it has a seperate course for derivative securities and trading and also financial management etc....

the statistics course at usyd is said to be the best in australia (that might be the postgrad not sure) and i personalli regrad the more theoritcal approach to science/engineering as a significant benifit for uysyds students... if they are able to expand they're knwoedlge by questiont the theories more practical applications....


Anyway I had fun and I hope u prove me wrong as I love a good, constructive argument… sorry I contradicted myself by saying not to ruine usyds reputation the going and shitting about unsw but yeh… I typed it and realised after and thought just include it u can argue them, I hope u prove me wrong – I havnt seen the unsw gym but the usyd one was realli quite good so I just assumed it was worse (ive seen a pic though and unsw one didn’t look very good no offence).

Ok sorry if I hurt anyone, if I did please tell me and ill explain myself or if I was out of place ill personally apologise… im realli just trying to help…

ok cyas

 

[LoneShadow]

lol....u go girl [not dat u r a girl or anything....i just like dat phrase...]........awesome defence of our beloved uni from the wishie washie ousider attacks.......but the thing is.....u proved us to be snobbs in away.....[just look at the poll...it was 21 no, and 10 yes last nite]

 

[Xayma]

I know becoming a lawyer is not going to make people like me very much... or respect me for my talent (hopefully) or effort I put into it. When did the law profession start being portrayed so negative (Asq - you're older than me, what do you think? )?

It could be that some lawyers have extremly overcharged in the past (>24 hour days charged, senior lawyers doing photocopying). That and the whole idea of them knowingly setting a guilty man free on a technicality or sending someone to gaol because of another technicality which precludes defence evidence etc.

A fair deal of how lawyers are potrayed in the USA doesn't help the image over here. For example a lawyer is charging two people for defamation because they were saying anti-lawyer jokes outside a court.

 

[jhakka]

Well that was coherent.

Haha. Even as a USyd student, I'd agree with the sarcasm in that comment.

 

[011]

Though I think that's specifically the case in australia. I tend to think that people have more respect for the lawyer and the work of the lawyer overseas...then again, maybe not.
But here, they're treated like crap. Despite being (one of) the most intellectually challenging fields to work in.

 

[Generator]

Enrolment is only once a year. It was admittedly annoying having to wait in long lines just to get forms checked. Not everyone has the net though (even if that's hard for you to believe) but a lot of the people I know had to go to library to use the net for UNSW enrolment. I could be a dick and say that's elitism if I weren't so shocked that they didn't have the net.

Pre-enrolment is now only available online (USyd also assumes/expects that we all have access to the net).

Yeah that's true. I've never bagged out UWS though, probably because I'm from the Western suburbs.

I did! Criticising UWS throughout the senior years was the norm at my old school, and even the teachers were involved. That's just life, though.


As for USyd in general... It's what you make of it, although I cannot help but think that the standards are not as high as they should be for such a 'prestigious' uni, but that seems to a sector wide issue rather than one that only USyd must deal with.

Oh, yes! Don't waste your time with the Central to Uni walk as there is no need if your train passes through Redfern. It is as safe as the Broadway stroll, if not more so given the number of students 'taking a chance'.