Cookie182
Individui Superiore
Hmm I have long thought about it myself- I think he got it from a book or something he read. I interpret it as- God exists to believers generally as a separate entity to time/space- a metaphysical body that knows 'all', provides a moral structure- has order and ‘justice' over the natural world- rewards the deeds in their life. As human beings, we fear and contemplate our lives and the future- it is 'natural'. That is why many people turn to religion- there is a fear that if you do not believe there may be no afterlife or whatever- Im sure you get my point. Often people are brainwashed into following something as the alternative is 'missing' out in the end. Ultimately, my point here is- religion is a matter of faith. It all depends on the person and their psychological make up- personality factors, conditioning based on the environment they grew up (if they were raised in a religious household or country for that matter). Therefore, it cannot be debated as we are all different and no one will ever change anyone’s beliefs. Sure many of us are influenced to believe something, as there is always the saying- "It’s like praying, what do you have to lose"?
Overall, the point Im making is that evidence implies a physical nature- mathematically it holds a place is space/time. God is METAPHYSICAL he is separate from this as he exists on a personal level as a matter of faith- as I’ve said this level is different for every individual- therefore if you prove the existence of god, faith becomes irrelevant as there is no longer belief without proof- therefore without faith god does not exist. Also, physical evidence is separate from god- so therefore if you have physcial evidence it actually rpoves he does not exist. It all comes down to your definition of faith in the end- but yea, if there is physical proof then god cannot exist based on our definition of faith (which is part of our current definition of what god is).
Therefore, I guess religion and all this comes down to a matter of definition. In addition, Im sure ill have theists/atheists alike arguing with me but that’s fine- that is what these forums are for anyway.
Look Im still getting my head around this myself and I cant be bothered to edit my post again so yea I have probably contradicted myself.
I assume you have done yr 12 so there is a chance u have read Brave New World- jump to chapter 17- interesting stuff. I do not agree with all Huxley was saying but certainly raises some points.
His main point was that when humankind is weak and vulnerable- when we are alone and fearful we contemplate death and beyond. We inevitably turn to faith and god. However, in the Brave New World they have eliminated this need for god as they are never alone- they never become 'old' and 'weak'- hence god still exists but he is an absence- there is no faith in him.
Anyways- personally I think this is all great to philosophically debate- but I do not think any human will ever have a true understanding of religion and god. It is strictly personal.
Im still not sure what I believe-- I don’t believe a word of any religious text (they are just a collection of personal interpretations- I could write a religious text by quoting the members on this forum lol) but part of my mind sometimes does contemplate that there must be more after death then 6 ft of dirt. After all, we do not live in the Brave New World...yet anyway lol.
Overall, the point Im making is that evidence implies a physical nature- mathematically it holds a place is space/time. God is METAPHYSICAL he is separate from this as he exists on a personal level as a matter of faith- as I’ve said this level is different for every individual- therefore if you prove the existence of god, faith becomes irrelevant as there is no longer belief without proof- therefore without faith god does not exist. Also, physical evidence is separate from god- so therefore if you have physcial evidence it actually rpoves he does not exist. It all comes down to your definition of faith in the end- but yea, if there is physical proof then god cannot exist based on our definition of faith (which is part of our current definition of what god is).
Therefore, I guess religion and all this comes down to a matter of definition. In addition, Im sure ill have theists/atheists alike arguing with me but that’s fine- that is what these forums are for anyway.
Look Im still getting my head around this myself and I cant be bothered to edit my post again so yea I have probably contradicted myself.
I assume you have done yr 12 so there is a chance u have read Brave New World- jump to chapter 17- interesting stuff. I do not agree with all Huxley was saying but certainly raises some points.
His main point was that when humankind is weak and vulnerable- when we are alone and fearful we contemplate death and beyond. We inevitably turn to faith and god. However, in the Brave New World they have eliminated this need for god as they are never alone- they never become 'old' and 'weak'- hence god still exists but he is an absence- there is no faith in him.
Anyways- personally I think this is all great to philosophically debate- but I do not think any human will ever have a true understanding of religion and god. It is strictly personal.
Im still not sure what I believe-- I don’t believe a word of any religious text (they are just a collection of personal interpretations- I could write a religious text by quoting the members on this forum lol) but part of my mind sometimes does contemplate that there must be more after death then 6 ft of dirt. After all, we do not live in the Brave New World...yet anyway lol.
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